Brian & Gabe LIVE #24 - Part 3: Gabe discusses Microsoft User Environment Virtualization (UE-V)

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Brian: Well maybe not – yeah, I don’t have any.  All right, so let’s move on.  So, Gabe, last week you wrote about Microsoft’s user environment virtualization.

Gabe: Yeah, I sure did.

Brian: This is EUV.

Gabe: EUV.

Brian: Is that what it is?

Gabe: EUV.

Brian: UEV.

Gabe: Sounds French, yeah, UEV.  So, yeah, it was one of those things that there was a lot of, I want to say, fan fair for it, rig ht, so  everybody’s like, wow, this is happening, Microsoft has this now and then once you boil it down you’re like, wow, we had this before.

Brian: Wait, wait, so what is this you’re talking about?

Gabe: Well this is user environment virtualization, not everybody knows at UEV is.

Brian: So this is like Microsoft’s version of absence or res?

Gabe: Yeah, that’s exactly it, and so once we take a look at it though and we see that this is – when I look at it I see flex profiles in 2008, right, I see basically being able to create an XML file that will redirect registry and file changes during, in a user’s profile in a session to a file that is accessed by specific applications during sessions. I actually hear a funny echo, that’s why I’m kind of pausing because I think that somebody else is talking and it’s me.  So the idea here, though, is that it’s not a system wide thing so the flex profile solution, that would actually process those changes that log on and log off.  But in this situation, the UEV solution is actually tied to specific applications.

So Office, for instance, has its own set of user environment settings.  And so when you deploy Office, you can deploy it with these setting and that way the settings and the applications are portable and so that’s the big, that’s the big difference here is that it’s more  granular.  Now that said, that kind of granularity, I guess is with other solutions too.

Brian: Gabe? 

Brian: Jack, can you hear me?

Jeff: I’m not hearing you in my headphones.

Brian: All right, so Justin, whatever you did, I don’t know if you turned something down in the studio but turn it back up. And in the meanwhile, I will just kill some time.  So, yeah, I can’t hear anything. Back on the Microsoft stuff, John wrote an interesting comment.

Jack: So Brian and I can’t hear anybody here in the studio. Justin, can you still hear us when we’re talking? Hey, Gabe, can you still hear us?

Brian: Wave  if you can hear us, Gabe.

Gabe: I can hear you guys, let’s see, I will –

Brian: It looks like you’re talking, I can’t hear you.

Gabe: So let’s see, chat room.

Brian: I guess that means – oh, Gabe, I can hear no one.

Jack: I’m not asking you, I’m asking – they can hear everyone, all right. I can hear everyone.  And the chat room number is going down.

Gabe: All right, so I will just continue with user environment virtualization.

Eric: You should go to commercials, guys.

Gabe: Yeah, really, we need a technical difficulties thing. So anyway, I guess the idea with the user environment virtualization is that they’ve made it granular and effectively eliminated the need for roaming profiles in a lot of situations.  I don’t know, Eric, were you paying attention to that, since this is like the Eric and Gabe show at this point. Were you paying any attention to any of the release announcement, any of that?

Eric: Yeah, I paid a lot of attention to it because that’s also affecting VDI desktop space and we’re working in, and rooming profiles is not the best thing to do in a VDI desktop and especially if you’re doing non possessive desktops you need something like that.  But the end user virtualization that Microsoft brings now is winding new so we take that from 1981 to ’82 and we put them in a new bow and we put a tag on a 2012 and look, we’ve got something new.  And –

Gabe: Well it’s better than the old one Microsoft had, I guess.

Eric: Yeah, but actually if you really look into it, and it wasn’t really mentioned, there’s’ nothing really more in the profiles. That’s – it’s absolutely a very cool way how they did it, but it’s – I did flex profiles for years looking as a  that I did for years and flex profile ruled and this is so flex profiles.

Gabe: Yeah, very much and that’s what kept coming to mind except for the difference being the granularity you get tying it to specific applications.  And so – but that goes across platforms and it goes across delivery methods too, so you can tie the personalization to the application on whatever operating system it’s deployed on whether it’s VDI, RDS, traditional desktops, whether it comes by  and so all of those, that does give it an added bit of flexibility compared to flex profiles ala 2008. But there’s still – so it could probably work in many organizations that don’t have some other solution, but the other Guys, I mean AppSense, RES, Immedio, TriCerat, everybody, I mean there’s 20 of them, I don’t think that they have a whole lot to worry about at this point because they were already going to customers that needed a little bit more anyway. 

I do think, though, that it will free them up to not focus so much on the basic features, you know like RES has this, I forget the product name, they have a light version that they’ve been giving away for free.  And so that is, that’s the kind of thing, they’ve been giving it away for free because they knew that UEV was coming out.  But I don’t know if they even need to focus on products like that so much anymore, they should just focus on the more advanced products and maybe even decoupling the setting from the user experience even more.  Imagine taking that stuff off to the cloud, imagine taking my officer personalization settings from Office installed locally and using them in Office 365, I think that’s the next step to take the stuff to.

Brian: Hey, this is Brian, I’m back.  We’re back here, so I don’t know what that was.  It appears we did nothing – the main mixer for this thing, ‘cause we have a  multi channel mixer with lots of auxiliary buses so we route the audio from Skype and all the stuff together, we bought that on eBay. So maybe it’s time for a new one, I don’t know.  And I guess I missed the last bit of the conversation, so I’m not going to try to comment.  You’re still talking about the user environment virtualization?

Gabe: We were just talking about – yeah, I mean Eric agrees that it’s a lot like flex profiles and I went on to say how it’s more granular than that.  I mean I agree, like conceptually the way that it works is  but the fact that you can bundle it with applications across different delivery methods is cool because you can now bundle the personalization settings for Office say for delivery as a traditional or VDI or RDS or even so it’s portable across all of that stuff which is cool, I like that, but then there’s all these other  more advanced solutions out there as well so what I ended on was I think that this frees up, this solves problems for those that don’t already have a solution in place and it also, I think, lightens the load on the user virtualization ISVs so that they can now focus on bigger and badder things instead of on the kind of low level stuff.

Brian: Which they have, so you know who’s screwed on this then, it’s not res and absence, but it’s the small sort of more point solution so I’m thinking like the flex profiles or like immedia, like immedia flex and they’re the, I guess the big one that comes to mind, who else are some of these –

Gabe: Honestly, I haven’t used Flex  while so I don’t know if flex is more advanced now than it was three, four years ago.  Maybe it is, maybe there’s more management associated with it or something, maybe they’re more powerful tools with it, I don’t know. So it would be interesting to hear what Immedia’s take on it is.  But, yeah, I feel like it frees these Guys up.  I ended on saying, wouldn’t it be cool if you could take your officer personalization settings from your local environment and then still use those same settings and personalization on Office 365 in a cloud or on really any other platform like that?  And I feel like that’s – we’ve talked about that in the past, I think that this actually frees up resources in these companies to peruse that a little bit more.

Brian: All right, so –

Eric: Actually you gave me very good idea to enhance our club portal, to add that functionality to it. 

Brian: There we go.

Eric: I think that you’re absolutely right, exporting your office settings from your office PC onto your iPad or you Android tablet to customize your Office 365, that’s absolutely a cool idea.

Gabe: Glad that I could help.  And obviously there’s more things to move off in that direction as well. I hear quiet again on the Brian and Jack front, are you Guys still there?

Brian: We’re fading in and out here, or rather the sound that we’re getting in our headset is fading in and out so we’ll do the best we can. It’s just the auxiliary bus going to our headphones in the studio, Justin hears us fine, so I’m going to blame the mixer because it’s just liberally fading in and out as Justin’s hand are in the air, I’m not touching it.  So – but so let’s – anyway, we can hear sometimes, so –

Gabe: We will have this fix.  Jack, we may have to put off our consumerization podcast but now is a good time to talk about that.


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