Citrix plans a version of Presentation Server for Small Biz

Citrix showed off a small business version of Presentation Server at iForum in Edinburgh, Scotland this week. The product, called Citrix AllInOne (also known as "Project Tamar") is like a Citrix version of Microsoft's Small Business Server (or Presentation Server "Lite" or whatever you want to call it).

Citrix showed off a small business version of Presentation Server at iForum in Edinburgh, Scotland this week. The product, called Citrix AllInOne (also known as "Project Tamar") is like a Citrix version of Microsoft's Small Business Server (or Presentation Server "Lite" or whatever you want to call it). It's a single-server install meant for small environments that need Citrix capabilities but don't want to have all the complexity of setting everything up.

AllInOne is basically a stripped-down version of Presentation Server, Web Interface, and Secure Gateway with some simple wizards used to configure everything. It will be limited to 75 users on a single server.

The real value of AllInOne is the configuration wizard. First of all it's a "real" Windows app--not some Java piece of crap. It looks really sharp and is easy enough for my mom to use.
After installing Windows Server 2003, you install the Citrix AllInOne product. The first thing the wizard does is install Terminal Services (if it's not already there). Then it installs (and configures!) the Terminal Services Licensing Service.

The wizard then steps the administrator through the various configuration options, setting defaults along the way while giving the option to configure more advanced settings. For example, it says something like, "Right now you (brianmadden\brian) are the administrator and can manage this server. Do you want to add anyone else?" If you add other people, it asks something like, "Do you want this person to have the same rights as you, or do you want them to only manage certain things?"

AllInOne sets up two Web Interface sites--one for internal users and one for external users that uses Secure Gateway (Citrix's software SSL-VPN for ICA sessions). It provides the URLs in a simple to use way. ("Give this link to your users to allow them to access this server from outside the office. Give this link to users to allow them to access the site from inside the office.") The wizard also lets you choose which features are enabled for inside and outside access. It even allows you to integrate SecurID or Safeword for Citrix very easily.

The coolest part of the AllInOne wizard (by far) is the application publishing step. It says something like, "now pick which applications you want your users to be able to access." Then it enumerates the Start menu on the server and gives you a list of every app installed on the server! To publish an app, the administrator just has to check the boxes next to the program names they want and click the "publish" button and the wizard does the rest!

Seriously, I cannot express how cool this wizard is! (Like other wizards, it's also available after the initial setup, so the administrator should never have to use anything else.)

The AllInOne version of Citrix looks like it will have most features of Presentation Server except for being allowed to participate in a farm (and of course the 75 users per server limit). Actually, it's almost 100% spot-on to what Ron and I suggested Citrix should do over 14 months ago. (Look at the section in that article called "Citrix MetaFrame Presentation Server Lite" :)

Pricing and release dates have not been announced yet.

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It sounds like they've done a bit of work making it easy to setup. I heard that the licensing price will be cheaper and the cost of the Citrix CAL will also include a TSCAL, can anybody clarify this ?
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"Pricing and release dates have not been announced yet."

I believe the release date was alluded to in a much earlier announcement..

"Templeton told CRN that the forthcoming access products for small-business and midmarket customers will be launched this fall."

http://informationweek.smallbizpipeline.com/161601011
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Could we see the wizard and publish app poritions added to the next release of Presentation Server?
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I have seen pieces of crap written in a bunch of languages and frameworks - from Quick Basic to C#. Is it more accurate to say “Citrix Java implementation of CMC is a …”, although not everyone subscribes to that either.

ALEX
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Java apps are slowwwww, and tax the CPUs to to do something very simple. It's "neat", but basically a piece of $%&@.
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...Terminal Service Client Access License (TSCAL) are included! In the meaning you buy 5 Citrix concurrent Users and you have automatically bought 5 TSCAL also. That the PS4SBS includes the CPU and Memory features and they are not included with the standard version of Presentation server. That the price is VERY good and therefore nobody will buy the PS standard version anymore.
The PS4SBS will be the "drug" for companies starting to use Citrix...
Only one thing scared me when I heard about it some month ago, that people will try to install this on a MS SBS version...

Thomas
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Nice, just hope its not too dumbed down and we still have access to the features we have come to know. Would definately make Citrix a much better competitor in the Small Business sector. (which atleast in Australia, Microsoft is currently focusing a lot of marketing effort and $$ on)
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The above posting is incorrect. The details will come out in due time....
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Did they say anything about an upgrade path to the full version of Citrix? Wouldn't it be nice if you could upgrade over PS4SBS and have all your settings, published apps, web sites, etc, all upgrade as well?
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...and post's form Anonymous visiter are always false! But hey, good to know then I have to tell Citrix that they told me something wrong...
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This sounds so sweet, Citrix will definately capture a bit of the market from the money-saving "we will just install Terminal Services, it covers our needs because we are small" :) which will be great for us :)

/Rene
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Why cant we just not have anonymous postings? i mean the registration takes like 5 minutes.

/Rene
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Please ask your source to verify their information. If they tell you everything in your post is correct, well then they have misinformed you twice.
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Ok thanks, I tell it the EMEA director that he is wrong.
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Excellent. They haven't gotten it *entirely* wrong, just a couple of important details...Cheers!
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I don't like anonymous postings either. But I have to admit that some of the "named" postings here sound like speculations or personal interpretations about what Citrix may have said at iForum in Edinburgh. Citrix already announced their SBS version of PS at the Solutions Summit (channel event) in Munich. Since I attended this session I can tell you that the reaction of the partners was far from being enthusiastic. If the end-customers buy such an SBS product directly, it may cannibalize the partner channel. Guess what happens if an end-customer buys Citrix AllInOne via direct channel and goes through the setup wizard Brian described, but also wants to install a mainstream application, such as Acrobat Reader. Many of you know that this may go a little bit beyond the scope of a typical multi-purpose admin at a customer's site - only admins with some TS/PS knowledge will be able to do this. As a matter of fact, it is not as simple as just publishing such an app if you forget to mention that first you have to install it properly in a TS-specific way. Who will take care for the zillions of questions regarding such simple problems without getting any money for it? This may even be too much for the active TS community. But this could also create new business potential besides the established Citrix channel tracks. May the force be with you - it's gonna be darvinism and only the fittest Citrix consultants will survive...

Some more questions: What will happen if the customer reaches 75 users on his box and wants to go beyond? Just to compare: Microsoft's well-known SBS product says in its license text that you have to buy the full server product if you want to go beyond the maximum number of users. Is there an upgrade path? My last information was "No" (but this may have changed until today). Is it advisable to have 75 TS/PS users on a single box without any load-balancing and fallback solution? My personal opinion is "No". Will the common AllInOne licensing model be based on concurrent users (=Citrix) or named users (=Microsoft TS-CALs)? Where will be the Citrix licensing server?

If you want to see what could happen with this new Citrix product, just take a look at the Microsoft SBS News Groups. Some of the postings there are NOT FUNNY. Licensing and upgrade paths are always very controversal discussed topics and cause a lot of trouble for the MVPs.

But I absolutely agree with Thomas Koetzing: Citrix AllInOne will be a "drug" to make new customers addicted to Citrix PS. It's the market share that matters.

Well, I still think that AllInOne is a great idea for customers with 5 to 20 users, or even home users. But I hope that Citrix will answer all my questions on their Web site before they start shipping the product.

Benny
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https://www.computerweekly.com/Articles/2005/06/21/210507/Citrixplansloadbalancingtoolstoboostapplicationperformance.htm
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Quote:
Just to compare: Microsoft's well-known SBS product says in its license text that you have to buy the full server product if you want to go beyond the maximum number of users. Is there an upgrade path? My last information was "No"
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There is an upgrade path for SBS 2003 called the SBS Transition Pack. The SKUs for the Pack and a 20-user CAL transition pack are, respectively:

T72-00346
T74-01133

You can find this info at:
http://www.microsoft.com/WindowsServer2003/sbs/techinfo/overview/licensingfaq.mspx
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Oh, I didn't know this yet, this is valuable information. I checked it out. The transition pack helps you to migrate to the full server product if you need more than 75 users or devices or if you want to separate the SBS components on their own machines. But my message still stays the same: You can't use SBS licenses if you go beyond the maximum number of users.

Benny
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http://www.citrix.com/English/NE/news/news.asp?newsID=21380
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Yesterday the 6th. Citrix announced the product. Today the 7th. end users can purchase the product. But can anyone tell me what features are included in the product??
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Sorry, the licensing scheme and server limitation is utter crap... Citrix does not understand how SMBs work.. As soon as you add a second server, you've paid twice for TSCALs (and ctx license), no centralized management. What do you gain that you couldn't do with Terminal Service and a few third party tools?

Most small companies are williing to pay for two small servers for redundancy.
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In my experience, most small companies are cash strapped are NOT willing to pay for redundancy.
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The best way to think of this is like a lite version of Presentation Server limited to a single server. The single server includes Secure Gateway, Web Interface, and Presentation Server. You could integrate the Access Gateway as an option.

Add to that a Quick Start wizard for easy setup of licenses, applications, administration, and web access and bundle in the TSCALs with the Access Essentials license cost.

Load management, IM and RM and more enterprise features are not included (but CPU and memory optimization are).
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What about UPD support?
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Has anyone tried installing Access Essentials onto the Active Directory DC ?
I need to do this because I can only have one server and it has to run Exchange 2003, as well as Citrix (Access Essentials) - serving published apps or desktops to users. This kind of configuration won't be secure I guess, but otherwise ?
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iN cITRIX SUPPORT PAGE SAY THAT IT CAN NOT BE INSTALLED ONTO AD. THEN INSTALL W2K3 LIKE ONLY SERVER, INSTALL AE AND THEN GOES TO AD
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