"Bear Paw" will not be part of R2, Longhorn Timeframe more Likely

It’s been a year since I reported that Microsoft was working on an update to Terminal Services that was codenamed “Bear Paw.” In the past year, there has been a lot of speculation about what Bear Paw was and when it would be released.

It’s been a year since I reported that Microsoft was working on an update to Terminal Services that was codenamed “Bear Paw.” In the past year, there has been a lot of speculation about what Bear Paw was and when it would be released. The recent rumors have suggested that it would be included as part of the “R2” update of Windows Server 2003.

Last night I conversation with Microsoft’s Terminal Server Product Manager, Mike Schutz. He told me the enhancements to Terminal Services would not be in R2, but would most likely be part of the next major platform release (i.e. 2007).

However, the “anywhere access” component of Windows Server would still be part of R2. From a Terminal Services standpoint, this will include the RDP over HTTPS proxy functionality as previously reported.

This is great news for Citrix. (Even though they weren’t “officially” worried, this should help them focus on Presentation Server for the next few years.) In fact, Citrix will probably send a tech note out to their partners and channel stating this and saying something about how you can’t trust what you read from rumor sites.

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This message was originally posted by an anonymous visitor on August 12, 2004
Since over 60% of Citrix sales are to existing customers, what an incredible gift to them. Still, in the SMB space, native terminal services with a few of the cheaper add-ons, i.e. tricerat is the way to go.
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This message was originally posted by an anonymous visitor on August 12, 2004
Terminal Services "Bear Paw" will be released along with R2.

Soon I will post a comment with more details.

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Redmond, WA
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This message was originally posted by an anonymous visitor on August 12, 2004
Interested in your story. However, Brian's information is not incorrect in the that Mike Schultz is saying that is the timeline. I heard it from his lips myself recently.
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This message was originally posted by Brian Madden on August 13, 2004
As for being correct or not, the information in this article came from Mike Schutz himself. I personally talked to him on the phone Wednesday night, so this is first hand information, not some rumor that I heard through the grapevine. So, believe what you will, but I'm telling you what Schutz himself told me.
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This message was originally posted by an anonymous visitor on August 13, 2004
All Brian is doing is telling us what was said at the meeting...
Maybe you are right about Bear Paw, and Microsoft is just try to leave everyone away from what is really happening, but I guess we will all find out in time
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This message was originally posted by dude on August 13, 2004
"Brian's information is not incorrect" - so it's correct then? (double negation)
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This message was originally posted by Antherus on August 13, 2004
RDP over HTTPS is really the main feature I am anticipating from BearPaw anyway. If this is in fact included in R2, it'll be one less item on the ever-shrinking "why bother with Citrix" list. For sites using full-desktop, that list is getting pretty-darn-slim.

Instead of dumping cash on the Citrix stuff, one can build an *much* nicer desktop environment (imo) with Windows+Softgrid+WTSGateway+Tricerat, and still come out cheaper.
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This message was originally posted by an anonymous visitor on August 13, 2004
I have to agree with an earlier posting that this could be some Microsoft smoke screen. Several Microsoft Terminal Services development and product team members say that this "delay" is not the case, and that everything from the product readiness side has a green light.
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This message was originally posted by Anthony on August 16, 2004
Does Antherus work for TriCerat? TriCerat is 5 year old code. AppSense is far superior for desktop management and lockdown (showing at I-Forum) and for optimizing server capacity, as well as controlling troublesome appl's and rogue processes.
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This message was originally posted by PaulH on August 16, 2004
You guys are looking at Citrix getting a gift but take a look at Tarantella's Terminal Services package. With BearPaw delayed they have at least two more years to complete their makeover and the current product is already a lot for a few bucks.
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This message was originally posted by Antherus on August 16, 2004
I certainly do not work for Tricerat. I was just suggesting that there are other ways to get a "feature rich" thin client environment, that can be cheaper, and in fact better, than one based on Citrix products (high hopes for Tarantella). Don't get me wrong, AppSense is "good stuff" too, but because of the Softgrid application virtualization in the scenario I suggested, I don't think one would really see as much benefit from app tuning. Tricerat's desktop/policy management is pretty good, and their printing method is the best I've seen to date. As far as I'm concerned, the UPD still blows. Client: "So we've just spent $$$ on a mega-multi-function printer, that can do everything right up to folding my document into an origami crane, and we should be happy that the *new* print driver can now support 'duplex'?" And just so no one else jumps on this, yeah, I know there are other companies with similar print systems, to address the whole mess that is thin client printing. So... who knows, maybe printing will also be improved (read:fixed)in Bear Paw, maybe not.

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This message was originally posted by Kimmo on August 16, 2004
Heh, I certainly appreciate all the rumor and stuff - keep 'em going, Brian!
As far as I'm concerned I'm not so much pissed off with the cost of a Citrix solution as I'm with the quality of the solution as such. My customers would gladly pay whatever Citrix is charging and be happy with it - IF, and I mean IF, Citrix solutions would work as the should've.... Just to name the 2 points that sucks slimy eel:
1) Licensing: Citrix gotta have the worst, and I mean W O R S T, licensing enforncement on their product, not only does it not work, but - worse - it brings down an entire enterprise in no time at all just like it feel like. DAMN, I remember the days when software companies did TRUST people instead of having some crap license enforcment system that brought down legitimate customers... At least with Microsoft I activate the license and are done with it....

2) Buggy products. One word "IMA", I'll say it again "IMA". This crappy service keeps breaking down whenever it good damn feels like it. Then, of course, other parts of the solution keeps breaking down...

DAMN, I've been working with Citrix since the technology was born, but lateley I've developed a hatred towards whereever this company is going...

Have phun and peace

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This message was originally posted by Roger on August 17, 2004
Microsoft's partnership with Citrix goes way back. Microsoft will not endanger in any way their product sales of its os server bundled with Citrix solutions. The market is just too big. They will not disrupt these sales. There has always been a coordinated release of features between both groups. With Citrix raising the bar on what can be done with thin clients. I am certain that Microsoft has looked at what is the best solution for her to make money. Including keeping Citrix in the portrait. IMHO we can talk about who has a better solution until the cows come home, but if you want the truth look for the money!
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This message was originally posted by an anonymous visitor on August 18, 2004
Microsoft will not fail to add functionality into their products if they believe it will sell more licenses. The only reason they have not gone after Citrix aggresively is that companies still need to buy a Microsoft license anyhow for both server and client - they are not missing out on lost revenue. But the days of Citrix owning "Thin" are fast coming to an end. Microsoft want to move into the datacenter and be a key piece at the heart, not just on the desktop and departmental servers - Terminal Services is a big piece of this. Sure some companies run exchange and SQL boxes, but the big boys run Lotus, Oracle and Unix.
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This message was originally posted by an anonymous visitor on August 21, 2004
Why would M$ spend additional R&D developing a technology that sells a modest amount for them with little or no energy? I feel this is a key (not only) reason we have seen them eliminate efforts to advance the TS technology. Bottom line is that Citrix drives nearly $300 million in TS CAL sales alone without any "real" effort by MSFT sales.
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