A Look at Microsoft "Hyper-V Server" on a Notebook

Summary This article is a personal look at trying the Microsoft Hyper-V Server.It is not a formal "review", but more of a personal observation, in trying to use the product differently than perhaps Microsoft intended.



This article is a personal look at trying the Microsoft Hyper-V Server.  It is not a formal "review", but more of a personal observation, in trying to use the product differently than perhaps Microsoft intended.


In this article, a look at trying the free Microsoft Hyper-V Server on a notebook computer shows that it is not for the faint of heart.  Quite frankly, I don't think it is "ready for prime time" without some serious work to provide better management capabilities.  The inability to create, start, stop, and access VMs running on Hyper-V Server from the Hyper-V Server Console itself  is the real culprit.   Instead, you have two options:

  • Install and configure either SCVMM on another machine and manage from there.
  • Install the Hyper-V Remote Management Console on a Vista SP1 box and configure.

As is shown in the post, the "configure" part of the second item may also prove impossible in certain situations (at least today).  Hyper-V server also does not support wireless networks typical for a notebook, although I have seen posts that suggest you might be able work-around this issue.


The "Problem Statement"

My daughter came home from college for Thanksgiving weekend and made a request.  She has a laptop with Vista on it and decided that she is sick of Vista.  So she wanted me to back up here drive so that she could install Linux instead.  But she wants the backup restored when she comes home for Christmas because there is this new game coming out and it won't run on Linux (at least not for a few extra months).


I could have spent the time talking to her about her issues with Vista and helping her get past them (UAC was number one on her list and that takes about 30 seconds to fix), but she also informed me she was switching majors from music to computer science so it probably isn't a bad idea for her to get some technical skills.  Also, we could have gone with a non-hypervisor solution like Virtual PC or VMWare Workstation, but she already has so much stuff loaded into Vista on login that adding a VM on top of that might be slow.


Besides, I have been looking for a reason to try out the new, and free, Hyper-V Server.  The laptop has an x64 AMD processor and a couple gig of ram, plus ample disk space.  So I could back up Vista, install the Hyper-V Server, then load Vista in as a VM and show her how to add a Linux VM.  Then she can go back and forth as she wants with little overhead involved.  Sure, I figure it will probably eat up much of the weekend, but there is only so much turkey one person can eat.




A Diversion to Perform a Backup


First, we want to perform a backup of what we have.  Always wanting to try something different, I remembered that I have a whole bunch of tools in the SCCM 2007 R2 VM that I have for playing with App-V.  The R2 release adds a bunch of imaging stuff so I start by looking there.  It turns out that it isn't so much R2 I am looking for as much as it is one of the pre-requisites I had to install to get to R2, WAIK ("Windows Automated Installation Kit for Vista SP1 and Server 2008", download at http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=94bb6e34-d890-4932-81a5-5b50c657de08&DisplayLang=en) . 


The documentation with WAIK teaches me how to build a Windows PE bootable disk to perform the backup of a drive onto a network share.  Cool.  WinPE is the foundation used by the Microsoft Windows Installers when you install a machine from a CD/DVD or ISO.  It boots a mini-OS (not too unlike DOS) into a ram drive.  Normally, you use this to install an OS, but once booted, you can do just about anything.  It understands the NTFS file system on the disks and you can run 32-bit command and even some windows programs including rescue virus scanners. I am wondering if maybe I should use this to defragment my windows partitions while the drive is not in use this way?  Maybe for another day.  Today, I just copy the imagex.exe program that comes with WAIK which I will use to do the backup of the C: drive the image of the Vista PC into the image I am creating.  When the image is ready, I create a bootable ISO image and burn it to a CDROM.


I boot the PC with the CDROM.   You get a DOS like shell that drops you into a X:\Windows\System32 folder.  I don't expect wireless to work but I hope the ethernet NIC works.  Run "netstat -r", check "ipconfig".  It does not see a network card.


Drat.  Have to boot back to Vista to locate the NIC, then off to the manufacturer to get a driver for it.  If I was good, I would add the driver into the ISO, but I am not good.  I plop it on a USB stick and hope I can access it from there after I boot to WinPE.  Boot to the WinPE image, plug-in the USB stick.  I can see it the files on the USB Stick.  Install the driver.  I get a DHCP address and can access the network.  Sweet!


Now I run a couple of commands to gain access to a network share and make a backup.

Net use \\backupserver\share\backupfolder password /USER:domain\username

Imagex /capture c: \\backupserver\share\backupfolder\backupC.wim "Drive C" /verify


This creates a compressed backup of the C: partition to the file named backupC.wim on my server.  Next up, Hyper-V Server.  I am free to mess up that system as I know I can easily restore it to it's current state.




Hyper-V Server

Hyper-V Server (http://www.microsoft.com/servers/hyper-v-server/default.mspx ) is the free barebones hypervisor and parent partition that Microsoft decided to give away free.  It is basically the same hypervisor used in the Windows 2008 Server with Hyper-V, except it can be used on a machine without Server 2008.  It is more limited, such as only 4 VMs and no more than 4 processors or 32GB of ram -- but we can live with that.  It also doesn't provide any licenses for VM OSs, but here we are OK.  It is intended for things like lab use, but I'm hoping that home use will be OK too.


Hyper-V server provides a "parent partition" OS that is very bare bones.  Microsoft claims it is not windows, but it you thought it seemed like Server 2008 core with even more stripped out you might not be far from the truth.  It basically has the network and IO stack to support Hyper-V, plus a very bare bones based User Interface is designed to pretty much only create and manage VMs as well as manage the parent partition.


I download the ISO for Hyper-V Server from Microsoft and burn a DVD image.  Even though it is a small hypervisor and small OS, it doesn't fit onto a CD.  I boot the machine, pass through the license click-through.  When I get to the screen that provides a choice between upgrade and install, I notice that the upgrade option is not available.  A note on the page informs me that upgrade is only available by running setup in the current OS.   One of the things I could not find in on-line searhces was whether I would have an option to install and have the existing OS "P2V" into a VM.   Seeing the note on the bottom of the page about running setup in the current OS for upgrade I decide to try this out. 


So I boot back to Vista and try to run the setup from the DVD.  No dice.  The Vista OS is 32 bit and I can't run the setup.exe which is 64-bit  I suspect if I had a 64-bit OS running this might have worked.


Boot back to the DVD.  Microsoft has made this install so simple.  If you need pictures, this link


is an article that shows screen shots that follow what do to install in the following steps.


I select Install this time, reformat the partition and install.  I think it took under 15 minutes.   I now find myself sitting at a blue Ctrl-Alt-Dell screen.  Provide the three finger salute, it prompts for a name and password.  Since I formatted the hard drive it can't remember the one from vista.  I try blanks, no luck.  Try the old one (just in case), no luck.  Try "administrator" with no password.  I get what looks like an error, but it is just a box telling me I need to change the password.  Type in the new password (one that requires more complexity than the old one)and complete the login.


The User Interface  reminds me of the days of Windows 3.1.1.  The UI consists of a grayish graphical background, and two cmd windows open.  No start menu.  One cmd window has a black background and is sitting at a command prompt.  The other has a convenient blue background and is running a script (HVSetup.wsf) that gives me menus to manage the box.  If you click on the minimize button of a window it minimizes to the bottom of the screen much like Win3.1.1 did.  You can also ctrl-alt-del to the task manager and start a command, such as extra cmd windows. 


The blue window also has an error message telling me that no active network adapters have been found , but more on that later.  For now, let's look around.


The blue window script menu provides the following options of things I may do:

  1. Domain/Workgroup
  2. Computer Name
  3. Network Settings
  4. Add Local Administrator
  5. Windows Update Settings
  6. Download and Install Updates
  7. Remote Desktop
  8. Regional and Language Options
  9. Date and Time
  10. Log Off user
  11. Restart Server
  12. Shut Down Server
  13. Exit to Command Line


This link


Shows screen shots of how to use most of these commands, but they are pretty self explanatory.  Looking into the script, you have interfaces into basic commands like netdom.exe and control.exe (with cpl files).


Looking at the c: partition of the hard drive from the other cmd prompt, I find that it defaults to the C:\Users\administrator folder.  Looking around, I find the "Windows" folder. And a "Program Files" and a "Program Files (x86)" folder.  OK.  So the parent partition is a 64 bit OS that definitely looks  like it was once windows.  The Windows folder has only three exe files.  Regedit.exe is the only familiar one.  The System folders looks very much like a normal windows System32 and SysWOW64 folders with all your favorite commands. Except explorer.exe, mmc.exe.  I particularly bemone the lack of MMC.  I even see a .NET folder, but surely there can't be .NET on this thing?  Msinfo.exe provides a windows serer version that is 6.0 based (I forgot to write down the number).


Getting the NIC working

OK.  Back to the problem at hand.  Plop in the USB stick and use the back window to install the NIC driver.  The installer I used was a win32 program so I wasn't sure it would work in the mini-OS provided.  But it did.  Sweet!  The installer ran without an error, but the menu still said it didn't find an adapter.  So I reboot. 


Oh Shoot.  The parent partition is running in 64 bits.  While the 32-bit installer can run, the driver has to be a 64-bit driver.  The Win-PE boot was in 32-bits so I didn't have that problem then.  Back to the manufacturer, this time for the 64-bit drivers.  Fortunately HP supports 64-bit Vista on this notebook (CQ50z).  So I grab all the drivers since it looks like they all should install.   Most of these drivers installed just fine.  The modem driver didn't install, but who uses a modem any more?  I'll ignore it.  After installing the drivers and rebooting, we get Ethernet working,  The wireless isn't working, although the LED now works when I turn it on and off.  Need to figure out how to configure the connections...


Hyper-V server doesn't support wireless cards.  Grumble, Grumble, I think I remember hearing that.  But I'm not dismayed, after all, this is a windows-like OS, right?  I find this article on the net:


Which leads me to believe that I can probably work-around this issue, once I have my Hyper-V Server set up and a VM to work with.  In the post,  John Paul Cook explains  I have three options. 

  • ICS, which uses and thus won't work everywhere.
  • RRAS, which requires a bunch of configuration.
  • A hack suggested by someone named Ken.

I plan to go the hack route, but leave the details until I get to the point that I can start trying it.




How to Create a VM?

Got to create some VMs.  The remote Hyper-V manager for vista and the Server Manager console on the regular Windows Server 2008 are MMC based.  Not finding mmc.exe on Hyper-V server, I decide to connect remotely using the hyper-v  manager tool on my own vista desktop that I use to work with the regular Windows 2008 servers with Hyper-V to get me up and running.  It does not occur to me (yet) that without a tool in the parent partition you can't take the notebook on the road because you could never access the VMs! 


The Remote tool refuses to connect to the Hyper-V server.  After a while, I realize that the firewall is on the Hyper-V Server host partition.  I find the "netsh" command is available, and use it to temporarily turn off the firewall ("netsh firewall set opmode mode-DISABLE").  Try again.  Now the manager connects, but complains that the RPC service on the computer is not running.  I check this by using the net start command - it is running.  I had dealt with this problem managing the Windows Server 2008 with Hyper-V in my lab.  John Howard had an exhausting 5 part post that details what to do.  I find the post and discover that John has written a wonderful script tool (HVRemote.wsf) that simplifies things into two easy commands.



Ultimately, I gave up trying to get the remote connection to work.  The notebook was in a workgroup and my managing laptop is in a domain, which complicates things quite a bit .  In the end I was able to create VMs and manage networks remotely, but never did get to start a VM.  The problem, in a nutshell is that John's work makes assumptions that didn't work for me (not that I am complaining about John's tool.)    We also had a DNS issue to work around.  I am sure that given another few hours or days I could have gotten this connection to work, but…

  • It really shouldn't be so hard
  • I realized that without something in the parent partition to manage and access the VMs this effort was going no-where.
  • My daughter wanted her notebook back.  NOW!


I left her on her own to install Linux and discover that the notebook has a too-new wireless card that people are struggling to get to work.  She managed to get it working as I wrote this blog article!  It reminds me that I'm going to have to take another look at Linux again soon.




I need to have VMs available to me when I am on the road to demo stuff.  The idea of having a bare-metal hypervisor on my notebook rather than one that runs inside the host partition is fantastic.  That I might be able to use a free one rather than install a full Server Core to get one is the right direction.  But what Microsoft has released with Hyper-V Server does not cut it.  The inability to manage and access VMs from the parent partition makes it a non-starter for this purpose. 


Keep in mind that Microsoft didn't release Hyper-V Server to be used this way.  They were thinking corporate lab environments.  But in a lab where the full tools are in use, I still think that workgroup and multi-domain issues are likely to make the setup take far longer than it should.  Labs are normally not set-up using the production domain.  I suppose once you get past the issues this presents, this might be a reasonable tool. 


I hope that Microsoft will be delivering better tools for the Hyper-V Server.  If not, other vendors will have better solutions.

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Why not just download the FREE VMware Converter tool, P2V your existing Vista image, install new Vista (or Linux) as the host, install VMware Workstation, and then put your converted image back into place as a VM? If your daughter really is switching to Computer Science then she'll have the best virtual coding platform out there. There's integration with the common IDEs, record/replay, snapshots, etc. It would be much better than trying to run Hyper-V Server as the base platform.


I tried something similar, but just installed 2008 w/ Hyper-V on my new Dell Latitude 4300...Wanted to use 2008 as the primary OS, but run VM's like Ubuntu and XP however there are no SATA or NIC drivers from Dell that work with 2008 on that particular notebook...tried hacking Vista x64 drivers as well with no luck.  I pinged a colleague from Dell about it and they said they would have drivers that will work with the new E series Latitudes Q1-2009.


Or you could just buy her a Mac which would give her a *nix variant of which she could use VMWare Fusion to install her crappy Vista OS on top of.  My .02 is that you're going to want something like VMware Fusion or VMware workstation if you want any hope of running decent graphics in the VM layer.



I'll second Shawn Bass' recommendation.  Be a good Daddy and buy her a Mac. :o)  The other nice this about VMFusion (or Parallels) is you can integrate it with Boot camp,  so if you absolutely need to run Vista on raw hardware for performance you can.



Throw away a perfectly working laptop - assuming a relatively new one being that it was pre-installed with Vista and buy a Mac...how cost effective.

I love Mac's just as much as you guys, but I don't think that's a viable solution.

Why not install Ubuntu 8.10 (which is a great distro) and run VMWare Server for Linux on it with an XP VM?


The point was to run a bare-metal hypervisor.  Not a hypervisor running on top of another OS (or install a full Windows Server Core).  

I have no doubt that this is where we all will be with notebooks in the future.  VMWare has announced theirs, but is not delivering.  Microsoft has one out, but as lamented here it isn't ready for this kind of use.  Citrix has one (XenExpress), and maybe I should have pulled that one out but ran out of time.  

By the way, she did end up with Ubuntu Desktop 8.10, and she didn't want a Mac.


I'm amazed just how well Ubuntu 8.10 runs on a notebook.  I've dabbled in Linux distros only to get to that one point where something doesn't work right - WiFi, NIC drivers, correct display drivers etc.  That 8.10 distro is gold!


Why does it have to be a bare-metal hypervisor?  The type 2 (host based) hypervisor are pretty good and even better at certain workloads (multi-media,  graphics, games) than a  bare-metal hypervisor.

Second,  why not just put a Full Install of 2008 and run Hyper-V?  It's running a bare-metal hypervisor and you can manage it. :o)  Plus, Mr. MVP has licenses for it.

Also,  why not downgrade to XP?  It's still a better OS than Vista and still keeps you in the MS world (Office, Outlook, Project, Visio... etc)

XenServer Express won't help.. There is no integrated GUI.  You have to run the console from another machine.



Hey Joe.  Thanks for the heads up on XenServer express - sounds just like HVS!    

By the way, I use VMware Workstation on my own laptop currently.   I am usually flipping between it and Virtual PC depending on who release the latest and greatest features.  I am wating to hear what happens with Kidaro this winter with hope that their might be something released under the hood and will get me to switch back again.

And Mr. MVP doesn't have licenses to hand out to family.  He has to follow license agreements just like everyone else.  


Its amazing even now with all of the great tools that are available today [many free] people still make things harder then they have to be.


I myself have had the dream of running my VMs on a bare metal hypervisor and while I was thoroughly entertained by your recounting of my own experience I was ultimately disappointed to read that you also had your dreams dashed against the rocks.  

Like you (and now many others) I believe this is the way of the future.  Just wish it were sooner rather than later.  I guess we'll have to muddle through with VMWare Wkstn for a while longer.

Before I spend another 10 hours trying to get .NET and the downloadable Hyper-V Manager for Vista installed on my Hyper-V server I was wondering what is the group's prediction for success?  


The HV Manager works only if machines are in the same domain.  It may be possible for non domain machines, but you  might end up spending the 10 hours to get those to work.  

You will want to look on the web for a tool called HVRemote by John Honward to attempt this.  John originally wrote a 5 part blog on how to get it to work, and then wrote this vbscript tool to automate what he wrote.


Hi Tim,

Great article, and you have saved me a lot of time, since I was just about to install Hyper-V on a notebook as well, but after reading your post, i've changed plans immediately.



Just double checked...I've got Hyper-V manager working in a Workgroup.  It wasn't easy and I spent a couple hours playing with firewalls and user accounts/passwords and google to get it all working.

I decided to curl up with Hyper-V for a few hours a few nights ago since I needed to build a WinPE boot drive...Here's some of my hard won learning:

- Hyper-V VMs do not support USB natively - at least not through Hyper-V manager connection and you certainly can't boot to a USB device.  Turns out you *can* use MSTSC with the 'connect to local devices' setting to access USB devices (you still cannot boot to said USB device).

- PE does not support MS Hyper-V networking natively.  You must inject the Hyper-V VM networking drivers into your PE build.  This is a huge, huge, huge pain.  There are step by steps out there but they made a lot of assumptions and I ended up doing it by hand.  Again, not for faint of heart but ulitmately was successful.  

- Vista Ultimate (bare bones, installed fresh 24 hours earlier with no Hotfixes, SPs etc) + WS2008 + blank VM for testing PE maxed out my admittedly meager 2GB RAM on my D630.  Completely anecdotal and I'm not griping -- just interesting is all.

I ended up ditching the dream of Hyper-V management from my hypervisor Hyper-V notebook.  Too many obstacles that I cannot overcome.  I'll wait for someone else to create it for me.  I am probably on to XenDesktop next.  We'll see how that one goes.  Mangan -- I'll wait for your step by step tale of heartache and despair "A look at "XenDesktop" on a Notebook" before I start.  


Not dispair, <i>disillusionment</i>!


I know this is two years old, but I wanted people to know that I use 2008 R2 SP1 w/ Hyper-V as my every day work environment where the host is joined to my domain controller that is a VM hosted on my uber-beast mobile workstation (Core i7 w/ 16GB RAM, SSD & NVidia Quadro FX3800 Display Adapter - for RemoteFX).  If I need Windows 7 or XP for something I've got bunches of VMs for that as this thing can run over 15 concurrent VMs without breaking a sweat.  I store my ISO library and OS on the 250GB SATA disk and use the 128GB SSD for my VMs.  Really works very well and beats the #$%@ out of lugging around a rack of servers to TechEd.