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Which way to go Citrix, Microsoft, or Vmware?, in the Citrix XenApp / Presentation Server forum on BrianMadden.com

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Ed Mitchell posted on 05-27-2008 1:44 PM
Recently created a Microsoft Citrix 4.5 Presentation server environment for a company in Sept. 2007 using Access Gateway 2.0 all seems to be working fine and purchased Platinum licenses at the time which is up for renewal in August 2008.

At the time Citrix did not have the XenServer addition fully implemented so I purchased 2 VMware ESX 3.1 servers to run on top of 2 - Dell 2950 PowerEdge servers. I am using these to run the Web Interface/AAC server, other miscellaneous web servers, a File/Print server for storage of roaming profiles, and a Win 2003 server-Citrix server used for the data collector/published management consoles.

I am more than slightly confused with the many ways Citrix has gone Xen desktop, XenApp, and Xen Server but am looking to position myself in the best possible position for the companies sake. This is currently a 200 users environment so Presentation server is all that I really need but it looks as if companies like Citrix are positioning themselves to force you to go with the newer virtual desktop technologies in ordert to get all things necessary to work.

Should I look at changing the VMware servers to Xen Server? Do I need to pay more to Citrix to upgrade from Platinum PS 4.5 to XenApp Platinum?

Thanks for any help.

Ed

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Please, everyone who responds, take note of the user number -- 200 users -- and tailor your answers to 200 users or less.

This would be an excellent sweet spot for the Citrix/Xen/MS gurus to comment about the many things to consider in his question relative to a

Ed also doesn't mention if all his users are in one place or not, or if there is any kind of WAN setup, which makes a big difference bandwidth-wise in many areas of the US that are not in big cities, which is where many techies are located...

Thank you, Tom
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These 200 users are spread out in 8 different states in the US and 2 provinces in Canada with the site being located in Tulsa, OK.

Ed
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Hi Ed,

You've already paid for VMware and it does what you want. Changing over to Xen would also involve extra work that has to be considered as an additional cost.

Then I'd have to ask why pay Citrix yet more money for a product that's not nearly as mature? In addition to more functionality, VMware still outperforms XEN in the i/o stakes so while most of the virtual machines you're hosting at the moment would probably perform equally well on either virtualization platform, you'd probablyt on your virtual file/print server.

If Citrix could offer you a single integrated management console etc then you could argue that Xen will at least offer you management efficiences but that's not the case at the moment.

My advice is to stick with what you've got because it's actually not too bad. Review your options once Citrix have their act together and get more realistic with their pricing.

regards,

Rick

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I personally think it is a good time to sit on the fence if you have no compelling reason to make a change (i.e. killer features that provide significant business benefits). The new technology is fascinating (i.e. app virtualization, VDI, virtual disks, etc), but change for the sake of change is seldom advisable - use them only if you need them and do extensive research and testing.

The virtualization landscape is changing so fast and consolidation within the industry is going to accelerate. These mergers and aquisitions will continue until only the big boys and niche players are left.

In the interim, the early adopters will pay through the nose for immature products (like current VDI offerings) that are poorly supported and many early adopters will get burned by diving in too quickly. Eventually, prices will drop as the vendors jockey for what's left of the market. At the same time, more mature offerings will emerge and vendor tech support will get better as techs get up to speed.

I realize that these same arguments could apply to IT in general, but the virtualization space just now is particular hot, fluid, and unpredictable.

Whatever you decide to do, good luck!

Alan Osborne
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