iForum Edinburgh - EdgeSight announcements and notes

I look forward to your updated article (although it would have been interesting to see what you have written before this EdgeSight announcement). There's no doubt EdgeSight has tremendous potential for end-to-end monitoring, troubleshooting, and reporting. I say "potential" because I have heard the marketing hype and it sounds like this is the perfect software tool but only to find out that oops, it can't do this yet - it can't monitor these devices/OS's yet - but it will! Really!

I got a perplexed look on the face of a customer when my response to their EdgeSight softball lob to me came back to them as "version 5 will be astounding, but the current 4.2 just isn't there yet". Again, they were just reading the hype and not asking deep questions about what it can do now.

It sounds like with version 4.5 the shovel has at least begun to touch the new ground it is supposed to be breaking. Here's to a strong future in EdgeSight!

http://www.citrix.com/English/NE/news/news.asp?newsID=658481

Well it is great to hear that Citrix is coming along following their roadmap for Edgesight, however i personall dont like the fact that they now seem to grind a bit more gold making every new feature a new product. One thing is the fact that it will most likely be licensed on it own, which is ofcourse something customers do not appreciate the real problem as i see it is that the thought of Citrix solving you problems is turning into .. "We solved one problem, if you want another problem to go away, buy a new product."

I would go for fewer products, more features, a bit more expensive licensing, more tools in the toolbox to approach solving problems for companies.. any day..

/LamerSmurf

Maybe if the load testing was just part of EdgeSight, rather than being a separate product, Citrix were thinking it wouldn't be taken as seriously in the load testing market, against products like Mercury's etc.  I thought the load testing was going to be part of EdgeSight, instead of part of the EdgeSight product range though, and it looks like I'd have to part with more money and have a yet more complicated licensing model to use that.  It would surely have placed EdgeSight in a better position too, with load testing built in - after all, Citrix are trying to convince us that EdgeSight has the advantage over the likes of PinPoint, PerformanceGuard etc, and an all-in-one product would have helped.

Hi Gabe,

A little while back I had a Customer (Education) asking me how he could integrate EdgeSight Agents with his many Thin clients that we deployed over a large area. He had some Contractors have a go, but we all know it's going to be an uphill battle unless it's designed correctly in the first place? and Even then it's an odds on bet that it probably still won't work? 

What I would like to know is how many people (organizations) would be interested in Thin Clients **IF** it could be proved to work correctly?

I am now working with Neoware as the SE covering ANZ/Asia and I have a feeling that this **might** actually be possible, but it would take quite a bit of work, and I'm just wondering if there are other Organizations who would be interested?

If so I'll have a chat to Steve Gorman and the rest of the EdgeSight crew to see what can be engineered?

Cheers,
Dave

EdgeSight for Presentation Server doesn't require an agent on the client. EdgeSight for Endpoints does, however you'll only need this version if you have local running apps (or in case you have both published and local apps, you would need both EdgeSight for CPS and EdgeSight for Endpoints licenses).

Version 4.5 of EdgeSight for CPS now uses the CPS license server. Previous versions have their own licensensing server, but that can run on the EdgeSight server, hence no separate licensing server required.

Also, where is the "tighter" integration with NetScaler and WanScaler that was promised? Now I understand it is supposed to be in the 5.0 timeframe, but when is that going to be if the actual 4.5 bits are not ready yet? We looked at PerformanceGuard but it is too expensive and doesn't scale that well.  What is PinPoint?

Hi Gabe,

 I assume that "EdgeSight for Load Balancing" should write "EdgeSight for Load Testing" at the beginning of the last but one chapter? Or is that one more product in the product line? :-) And what would be the licensing scheme for that product? :-)

Regards Josef

In my opinion a "End to End Monitoring solution", and this is what Citrix claims Edgesight to be should be capable of monitoring the complete way of a application delivered to a user/client.

E.g. in a SAP envirnment we have to have an eye on the SAP database servers, the SAP application servers, the Citrix Application server, the citrix client devices, the networks in between these components and many more things not to mention here in that listing.

Separating Edgesight for CPS and Edgesight for Endpoints makes no sense for me, except from a licensing point of view (earning additional money).

Do I get something wrong here?

Regards Josef