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It might be more than two weeks with MS

mrvirtualization — Thu, 22 May 2008 09:09:41 GMT

Hi,In reply to TSD Boston, I believe it might take you more than two weeks to figure out how fix SUSE 10 SP1 with an acceptable performance on Hyper-V. It require you much more work than what VMware require you to do. Look at the following article which show <a href="www.itcomparison.com/blg target="_blank">how to Install SUSE Linux 10 SP1 on Hyper-V with acceptable performance.</a> I hope you look at the article and evaluate what you are going to face before jumping into that boat as I did.Enjoy,Mrvirtualization

Re: I dont Understand

Guest — Sat, 03 May 2008 21:29:47 GMT

Because in this specific context, Application Streaming and Virtualization, Microsoft is competing with Citrix. When you have two distinct vendors providing different products with such and overlap in functionality that they can be considered as alternatives to each other, that is the definition of competition. The fact that Citrix is playing this down does not change this fact.

Likewise Microsoft and Citrix will be competing on server virtualization once Hyper-V is released - an important point Citrix is also downplaying.

If you are a consultant and neglect to mention these facts to your customers then it is you who are confusing them.

I dont Understand

Guest — Fri, 02 May 2008 18:46:39 GMT

You talke about MS solutions in terms of competition. Have you heard about the partnership between Citrix and Microsoft. If the answer is yes, why you put Microsoft's technology against Citrix technology.

As a consultant I have to provide customers with the real point of view in terms of how to take advantage of the technology.

In my opinion, your comments just confuse the user, thinking that Microsoft is a competitor of Citrix.

In the case of unplanned downtime, VMotion can live migrate because there is a warning ) using HP´s Virtual Machine Manager

Guest — Fri, 02 May 2008 13:54:06 GMT

Monitored by HP SIM with Virtual Machine Manager (VMM)
VMM is the only solution available with “out of the box” predictive failure actions and that leverages VMware DRS
Pre-failure alerts: fan failure, high temperature, disk errors, memory errors
VMware HA only has the ability to react to hardware failures and restart VMs
VMM enables VirtualCenter to react to a predictive failure by relocating VMs before hardware failure
Leveraging VMware DRS allows easy load-balancing of the relocated VMs

This works only with HP System Insight Manager

Source: www.hp.com/go/vmm

negative

Guest — Fri, 11 Apr 2008 01:28:46 GMT

Sorry to say but I think the author owes me 5 minutes of my time. please, this article is way below the standard that I would expect from brianmadden.com.

Old Tricks

Guest — Thu, 10 Apr 2008 19:15:55 GMT

It’s the old MS sleight of hand where they talk about how some future product will have the same features as their competitors for "less", of course they are comparing yesterdays VMware product to tomorrows Microsoft products.

The other trick is not calculating TOTAL cost of ownership, sure the price point of Product A might be less than B, but those are not all the costs involved and you can expect VMware to have a lower TCO for quite some time. Unfortunately far too many people that are supposed to be IT professionals get fooled by these tricks and FUD put out by MS.

For the record, I would have no problem switching to a MS virtualization solution as soon as it provides all the features we need at a truly lower cost.

Re: Wen are you using V-Motion?

Jason Boche — Thu, 10 Apr 2008 18:12:25 GMT

Consider the fact that you patch Microsoft servers monthly. When you start patching the Hyper-V servers monthly, that's when you'll need the hot migration to keep your VMs running. Imagine having to take down all your VMs on a given Hyper-V host because it needs to be patched and rebooted (or any carefully planned maintenace for that matter).

With VMotion technology, ESX hosts can be tweaked, patched and rebooted without causing VM downtime.

Re: Wen are you using V-Motion?

Guest — Thu, 10 Apr 2008 18:08:22 GMT

It you ever manage larger environments, with dozens oh hosts and hundreds of virtual machines, VMotion is in fact a must have. MS simply does not fit !

This is FUD

Guest — Thu, 10 Apr 2008 18:05:27 GMT

They are pretending to forget what VMware is doing (and much better than MS) for years ... Ok , it's more expensive, but worth.

Not cheaper up front but in the long run pays for itself

Guest — Thu, 10 Apr 2008 17:55:30 GMT

Seems like you guys are so stuck on the initial price. Do you plan for long term? The ROI for VMware will pay for itself just not right up front. Virtualization is a journey not a product and you have to step back and keep your eye on the big picture.

I am sure Microsoft will have a ok product and might even really become a good product in a few years but currently it is all FUD put out by the Marketing team.

Steve Beaver

Re: Sure It's Better, But It's Not Cheaper...

Jason Boche — Thu, 10 Apr 2008 17:38:24 GMT

Do you realize that when the "free" solution vendor runs the competition into the ground, we are left with no solution choices other than the vendor that peddles the "free" solution? Do you believe that is good for business and for us as consumers?

Re: Wen are you using V-Motion?

Jason Boche — Thu, 10 Apr 2008 17:26:38 GMT

VMotion is a lot more than "nice to have". For production flexibility and load balancing, it's a must have. Microsoft recognizes this because hot migration is on the books to one day become a feature of Hyper-V.

As far as clustering goes:

1. Clustering technology is not the same as VMotion technology. The two do not accomplish the same tasks in an equal manner. We need High Availability and Zero Downtime. During a failover, clustering minimizes downtime. It does not eliminate it.

2. Not all services and applications are cluster aware and therefore not all services and applications can be clustered.

3. Microsoft Clustering isn't perfect. I've seen plenty of scenarios where clustering let us down because one node in the cluster had crshed, but hadn't crashed hard enough to trigger a failover in the cluster: outage.

Sure It's Better, But It's Not Cheaper...

Guest — Thu, 10 Apr 2008 17:26:06 GMT

I don't know about most people, but in healthcare, our budgets are getting smaller, not larger. Even with growth, our budget has been the same for 5+ years, so thats less money year after year.

I like VMWARE, but it's not cheap. Sure, I can get ESX bare bones for $495, but at that point, it's no better than MS. I got to purchase the $2995 version to get any HA.

I think Hyper-V will continue to get better and eventually, if Microsoft continues to give it away, will be a forgone concluson. At that point, VMWARE may be relegated to the status of the Apple zealots hellbent to disparage Microsoft.

Wen are you using V-Motion?

Guest — Thu, 10 Apr 2008 15:38:29 GMT

I don't understand way v-motion is so good to have...I only see it as a "nice to have" feature, not a "need to have" feature. If you have a service running and it should run 24/7, you need to setup a cluster, so if the power plug or another hardware failure occurs , the service will failover or simply continue on the other node in the cluster. V-Motion can't help here - yes for maintenance of the hardware node, v-motion is nice.. but in a HA environment I don't see V-motion as a "need to have" feature.

Zero downtime is what's important in the datacenter

Jason Boche — Thu, 10 Apr 2008 13:52:52 GMT

VMware has had the same, if not better, HA technology for years, and VMotion (hot migration, no downtime) for quite a bit longer.

Watch the video comparison of Microsoft Hyper-V "minimal downtime" versus VMware ESX "no downtime" and judge for yourself what you'd rather be running on. Notice all the application failures and other baggage that comes with the downplay of "minimal downtime". Minimal downtime means the manual recycling of services, rebooting of servers, relaunching of client applications, etc.

http://vmwaretv.blip.tv/