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Jack Madden: So
that’s funny.
Gabe Knuth: Yeah, we
can, we can only hope that this holds up to the Conan expectations and not, you
know – I forget who had a show – Not the Weird Al Yankovic Show or something
like that, you know, that lasted for, for six weeks because it was bad.
So
we’re gonna, we’re gonna try to do a really cool, energetic talk show a lot –
What did you, where did you see it before?
You saw it at like some Symantec show or something like that?
Brian Madden: Symantec
Vision, yes. Symantec Vision does that. Yeah.
Gabe Knuth: So
that’ll, it’ll be cool, and having the band I think will make it, will put it
over the top. Because it would be tough
to do without a band.
Brian Madden: Yeah.
Gabe Knuth: And so
we were talking about it, we’re thinking about having Jack, like, since Jack’s
a music major, that kind of a guy, you know, like put together some sort of
music package for it. But like if we don’t
have, if we don’t have a band, then we can’t – You know, playing it over the
speakers doesn’t – That’s not the atmosphere we want.
Brian Madden: Yeah, and
we have a drum. Like they can like, you
know, they can riff if we’re making jokes and like all that kind of bandy stuff.
Jack Madden: Ba-doom-boom.
Brian Madden: Yeah. So you guys from Do It Best, that rocked, and
it’s a go for Chicago.
Anyway,
so the comment from the anonymous person in the, in the chat room, I love it. Talk about the Guise Bule shit. So I like as a way to phrase this. Like so Guise – So the Bule shit is, is I, I
guess, I, I’m gonna, I’m gonna have to link to – There we go. I’m gonna link to the Simon Branford blog post, and
where’s my chat window? Here we go. So, so Guise – Wait, was that his name? Guise?
Guy?
Jack Madden: Guise,
pronounced Guy.
Brian Madden: So Guise
– So he was on the show two weeks ago, and this was – Remember he was the guy
from Two Clouds, and he basically announced that it’s crap that Microsoft is
allowing OnLive to exist, and, and he – And so he said, “Well, if they can do
it, I’m gonna do it too.”
So
he is now putting together his own cloud offering that blatantly and very
publicly flaunts Microsoft licensing requirements. And I think that’s really cool. And like whether people – So people are
accusing him of just being a, you know, like grandstanding kind of it’s all
talk and all huff and making a mountain out of nothing. Which, I mean, I’m fine with that because,
you know, Brian Madden here.
But
the, but the thing is, I’m – So what? This
is cool because like so far – Like OnLive services a month, two months later
still exists, and they’re still either flagrantly violating Microsoft licenses
or they have some cut back-end deal that’s screwing companies like Two Cloud
and Desktone and all these other types of companies who are out there.
So
I’m, I’m all for it. So I encourage
everyone to sign up with DesktopsOnDemand, even if it is just some kind of like
BS thing. Let’s sign up and use it like
crazy.
Gabe Knuth: Yeah,
absolutely. So, and we had Guise on
there last, or what? Two weeks ago, I
guess is when we did a show. So, and so
you can, you can learn a little bit about it there. The story actually changed a tiny bit from
when the announcement came out to when we had Guise on the show, that I forget,
he said he was going to give it away for free or that it was going to be a, a
real thing. And then on the show, he
said that it was going to be just kind of a test thing just to see if it works,
but they’re not really gonna sell it. And
now it appears that they’re actually selling it.
So
it’s definitely just out there to call attention to Microsoft, but obviously
the most support we can show for it, the better.
Brian Madden: Yeah, I’m
fine with that. It’s, it’s funny that –
So the – Oh, so in the comment, so Simon’s blog post has a ton, tons of
comments in it. And in some of the
commenters, they’re basically – They are basically saying, you know, “This is
something like yeah, it got a lot of press, but it’s not that big of a deal
because users don’t care about it.”
So
this – So I was in Dallas last week visiting my – Well, our, Jack’s brother. You know.
Visiting our sister. And I didn’t
tell you guys this, or I didn’t tell Gabe this.
So, so I go out – So Meredith – So Meredith is our sister. So she has this – A coworker of hers who’s
maybe like 10 or 15 years older, so we’ve kinda been like a mentor to her.
And
so Meredith and her husband and me and, and this other woman went to, went to
dinner. And we were just chatting about
stuff, and our job kinda like – Our, like BrianMadden.com job kinda came up. And she was asking like, “So what do you – I
know you’re a writer, what do you do exactly?”
And
I was mentioning a little bit about what we do, and she’s, “Oh, is that like
that OnLive stuff?” This is what the,
Meredith’s mentor says, who’s not a technical, not a IT, like regular end-user
type person.
And
she says, “Oh, is that like that OnLive stuff?”
And I’m like, “I’m sorry, what?”
Gabe Knuth: What?
Brian Madden: She’s
like, “Yeah, I love OnLive.” I’m like,
“For” – She’s like, “Yeah, it’s awesome because like on my, when I’m on my
iPad, I can still get Excel on my iPad, and I love it.”
And
I was like, “What about QuickOffice?” She’s
like, “Yeah, but you can’t do like macro.
They do like data analytic stuff.”
She’s like, “You can’t do macro type stuff.”
And
I’m like, “Wow.” She’s like, “Yeah, but
I heard OnLive is having some, like, legal troubles, that maybe it’s illegal
software.”
And
I’m like –
Gabe Knuth: Wow.
Brian Madden: Yeah,
exactly. So, so that’s – But so that was
– And maybe this is just anecdote random luck, but I think it was really cool
that this, I would say, is like a regular user, if there was one, who is aware
of what OnLive is and works and even heard the story about the potential issues. So I thought that was a very cool thing and
just an interesting data point when we’re looking at OnLive and whether it’s
something that real users care about or not.
Gabe Knuth: Yeah,
that’s amazing. But it, it shows the –
It shows what the sizzle that OnLive created when they announced this stuff
around, when was it?
Brian Madden: I don’t
know.
Gabe Knuth: E3,
right?
Brian Madden: Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Gabe Knuth: So yeah. And so I mean, it shows the buzz. I mean, people were so on board with this
thing. And then – Well, I guess and we
have talked, too, about how the forums, once that article from Microsoft or
that blog post from Microsoft came out, how the people were amazed that it
could possibly have happened and how can this be and that kind of a thing.
So
I mean, there’s definitely a lot of people who would care about this and a lot
of people that are interested in it. And
it just goes to show that there’s an actual use case for this.
Brian Madden: And the –
So the comments, so that link to Simon Branford’s blog post, the comments of
that are really, really good.
Gabe Knuth: Yeah.
Brian Madden: And I
don’t know how Guise – Like so I think Guise wrote the longest comment of any
article I’ve ever seen in my entire life.
But the comments are pretty good, and, and there’s probably 10 to 1,000
words of comments in there. But it’s,
it’s a good conversation.
So
that’s that. Hey, a couple other things
that we will mention, and what is that little message say on the screen? I can’t see that.
Gabe Knuth: Are you
reading the messages that I’m typing? Like
I’m getting Skypified a bit here. But
your call, the call quality just went down for me, so maybe this – It won’t –
You dropped out for awhile.
So –
Jack Madden: You
sound fine to us.
Brian Madden: Well, I
was talking about how awesome you are, Gabe.
Let’s
talk about VMWare Octopus. So Colin Steele
noticed that VMWare Octopus is now available in the store, now available in
the, the IOS app store.
Gabe Knuth: Good for
him. We need to find out how he actually
figured this out, whether he got a heads-up or whether he just habitually hits
refresh on the app store to see what the new apps are.
Jack Madden: Was he,
was he lurking around or –
Gabe Knuth: Yeah.
Brian Madden: And it’s
- Go on, Gabe.
Gabe Knuth: I was
gonna say, so yeah, so what, he emails us and, and says, “Hey, I don’t know if
you guys know this thing, this thing broke or not, but I was gonna write
something.” So Brian Madden, our
consumerizedIT.com, he’s got a little blog post. It doesn’t say a whole lot because there’s
not a whole lot to be known, but, but we’re finally seeing some movement on the
Octopus front where the VMWare Octopus app is
now in the app store. But nobody
can use it unless you’re part of this private Beta.
So,
but there are some screen shots which I don’t think we’ve seen before.
Brian Madden: Before. That is correct. Because when we did our, our last post on
Octopus, which was also on consumerized IT, when we were at that event and Vittorio
was there, we – He sort of showed us, but – He showed us the app but wouldn’t
let us take any pictures of it. So I
think this is the first sort of screen shots that have been out.
But
yeah, this just shows – So the story here is that it’s, it’s now out of sort of
VMWare Labs, where – Because you know, when stuff before it’s in the app store,
you have to have like special, you have to have like the IDs, the devices that
it’s going to, so you can’t really make it out into the public.
So
this, this just means – Obviously the back end is still in beta, but this just
means that VMWare, it’s one step closer to being released. So now –
Gabe Knuth: It’s 1.0
released, too, so while it’s still – You know, the back end system’s a private
beta, they, but I mean they’re confident enough to call this release of this
thing 1.0. So it’s a full version.
Brian Madden: Yeah. The client, anyway.
Gabe Knuth: Which
they don’t take lightly. A full version
of the client. So I, I think we’re
getting awfully close.
Brian Madden: Yeah. So I like – I, it’s cool. I mean, and look at the screen shots. It just makes me – I mean, I love this idea. So obviously I’m always talking about DropBox. We use DropBox, we love DropBox. But I, I love the idea of taking DropBox-like
capabilities and integrating them more with the IT-delivered applications. And so for example, like Jack, you did an
article last week about Citrix Receiver with the ShareFile integration. And maybe talk – I’ll post a link here. Talk a bit about that because I – This to me,
this is badass.
Jack Madden: Yeah,
yeah. This is – You know what, we had
that like three-week period of long – Where we’d had file syncing articles
every single day at consumerizedIT.com, and, but, I think this stuff is just
really, really exciting because it, it opens the door for, for device-native
applications. Suddenly with Share, with
ShareFile and Citrix and having the documents be right there in the iPad Citrix
Receiver apps, this, this is a whole story around using native iPad
applications that never, that never existed before.
Gabe Knuth: Well,
but you can choose in that regard. You
can actually choose whether you want to use it with a remote app or a local app
too, right? Like so you get the choice. If you have the ability to open in its native
app, you can, or you can open it in something local if the native app isn’t
available.
Brian Madden: Yeah. Because that’s the key to me. Because as a DropBox IOS client, I can, I’ve
got QuickOffice. I can open Word docs
from DropBox with QuickOffice on the iPad, so that’s nothing special. But I love that if I have like a Vizio file
in there, I can, I can click it in the, in the iPad client, and it can open a
remote copy of Vizio.
But
because I log into the remote server that’s running remote Vizio, and then it
can access directly from the back in my ShareFile archive and open that
document in remote Vizio.
Jack Madden: And
this, this whole idea that these, that these Windows-based applications only
come up on an as-needed basis when the, when you just need that extra level of
functionality or it just doesn’t exist for iPad yet, you know, like we talk –
Like this, it sounds like such a cheesy line, but it’s like this post-Windows,
this post-Windows era that we’re talking about.
Like this is now.
Brian Madden: Well, and
so this is where we’re looking –
Gabe Knuth: We’re
getting there.
Brian Madden: But I mean,
so Citrix ShareFile integration with Receiver is doing this. VMWare Octopus combined with their AppBlast
technology, we’ve seen the Nexis stuff from InstallFree, which I’ve got
on the agenda to write about that soon, which is similar type HTML 5 delivered
client.
I
mean, I just love the idea that yeah, if I need to edit something and I, I, I
have an IOS or touch-based native app for that application, I can do that and
that’s fine. But if I, but if I need to
access like the quote-unquote “real” Windows app to access it, then I can do
that too. And like that, to me – This is
so badass.
Jack Madden: Yeah.
Brian Madden: This is
so beyond DropBox.
Jack Madden: And so,
so the nex – Maybe I should just save this for my article on Thursday, but the
next, the next step I think for them, like for both Citrix and VMWare, is to,
is to have a more comprehensive mobile application management solution to go in
with their products. And then that
makes, that’d make Horizon much more complete and it’d make the cloud gateway
story much more complete.
Brian Madden: And when
you say mobile application – So this is, it’s like Citrix, their follow-me data
with that secure data container, is that sort of part of that, or –
Jack Madden: So, so,
so that’s one component of it. We’d call
that the, the like the data management portion, which I, I wrote again and
again, like that’s, that’s your very first step baseline requirement for, for
enabling mobile functionality. Because
you get some degree of management of your data and you get device native
access, and you know, one of, one of the next steps is, is having some sort of
application management solution.
This
is, this is where this article is, is going to be going, I think. So I’m curious what, what you guys think. Because the, there was – The Nukona
acquisition a couple of weeks ago –
Brian Madden: Oh,
Symantec bought Nukona. Yeah.
Jack Madden: Yeah,
yeah. So with, with the – And then
that’s the, like, it makes your own app store, it can take the application packages
and sort of wrap security layers around them.
So something like that for, for Citrix and VMWare.
Then
you have the complete package. You have
the data management, you have the Windows applications when you need them, you
have the mobile applications when you need them.
Brian Madden: You know,
so that would come back to a good session.
I know you’re doing a session on MDM that I’ve seen you’ll cover some of
this kind of stuff.
Jack Madden: Yeah,
yeah.
Brian Madden: And if we
did a broader session that was like you say, that chapter from the book called
“Putting It All Together.”
Jack Madden: Yeah.
Brian Madden: Where we
look at delivering Windows apps as a service, delivering the data, having these
integrated devices, authentication across the board. I mean, you could actually see this happening. Like this is not some pie-in-the-sky like
crazy future land.
Jack Madden: Yeah,
yeah. That’s like the next step, again,
in that “Putting It All Together” chapter in the book. Like Octopus coming out is one of those
steps, and them having like a real mobile application management solution would
be –
Brian Madden: Not
device management. Application
management, right?
Jack Madden: Right,
right. Would be, would be another big
step in that process.
Brian Madden: Cool. Well we’ll, we’ll continue to look at that. And I guess,
Jack –
Gabe Knuth: Oh,
that’s right. We’re having another
podcast, right? Is that where you’re
going? The – We have so much of this
stuff to talk about that Jack is gonna run his own consumerization podcast.
Jack Madden: Yeah,
with, with Colin Steele, and we’re gonna have, see what guests we can get on
and, and so –
Brian Madden: Can I
just say, Jack Madden as a name and Colin Steele as a name, I mean, you know,
Brian Madden, Gabe Knuth, whatever. But
like you guys have it nailed. You both
have like the news –
Jack Madden: They’re
like traditional, like –
Brian Madden: “Jack
Madden and Colin Steele.” I mean, this
is the – Like it’s perfect.
Jack Madden: We can
call it like the, like The Madden/Steele Reports or The Steele/Madden Report.
Gabe Knuth: Actually,
actually, I like that.
Brian Madden: Yeah. Because we gotta find a name for this thing.
Jack Madden: Colin,
if you’re listening, send me an email and see what you think.
Brian Madden: So Jack
asked yesterday on Twitter for people to suggest names for the show, and we got
– I liked, I liked the one from Jeff Coyle, who wrote “Jack Your Device.” A lot of them were all about bringing your
device, you know, bring it to BYO show, consumer – I like, I like –Consumer,
“Consumerize It,” which is a play on consumerizeIT. Sort of like consumerize it. I don’t know.
But
so we still – You haven’t finalized on a name yet, right?
Jack Madden: Yeah, we
have awhile.
Brian Madden: Yeah. So you’re doing the show next week is the
first episode?
Jack Madden: Yeah. So it’s, so it’ll – I guess it’ll be the
lead-in to this show except it’ll be, it’ll be separate. There’ll be a break in between so that we can
reset it for the new stuff, but we figured we’d do it on Tuesday because we’re
–
Gabe Knuth: So a
half-hour show that runs at 9:00 on Pacific time on a Tuesday, and then that’ll
give us a half hour to tear down and set up for this show, and –
Jack Madden: So yeah,
Tuesday is podcast day.
Brian Madden: I don’t
like that. I don’t like having them both
on Tuesday. Let, let’s ask the audience
also and maybe we can all ask via Twitter.
Because this seems to me like it would be cool if we spread it out like
a Tuesday and a Thursday or Tuesday and Friday or something like that.
Jack Madden: Yeah,
yeah. But then that means Live would be
doing shows two days a week.
Brian Madden: Well, I
don’t care about that. It doesn’t affect
me. We can give you a microphone for your
apartment. So we’ll, we’ll discuss.
But
regardless, though, I like the idea of a show, and I like the idea that I’m not
involved in this. So I’ll back you up.
Gabe Knuth: Yeah,
except I think you just kinda tried to involve yourself.
Jack Madden: Exactly. So take that.
Brian Madden: Oh, oh my
gosh, guys. So we’re out of time. Look at that.
Gotta, gotta end this right now.
So I’m gonna say from San Francisco, this is Brian Madden and thank you
so much for listening to Brian and Gabe and Jack Live, and we will be back next
week on Tuesday with our desktop virtualization show and a consumerization
show.
Jack Madden: And
hopefully a guest.
Brian Madden: Hopefully
a guest. A consumerization show will
come from Jack at some point next week.
Jack Madden: Great.
Gabe Knuth: All
righty. Thanks for listening. Watching, I guess, too.
Brian Madden: Thank
you.
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