Jay Tomlin - All Comments

Same issue here AG 8.1 With WI 4.6

Guest — Thu, 03 Jul 2008 21:51:58 GMT

Jay Please post here if you got your question answered or resolved.Thanks

Darn!

Guest — Wed, 23 Jan 2008 00:23:39 GMT

Darn... Heated discussions here. VMWare has never had competition before. Everyone needs to sit back, relax and watch what unfolds. ESX may be superior, but XenServer behind it's GUI blemishes is not all that bad. I don't know about you, but I am not moving to a VDM solution anytime soon!

VMWare's stock is bloated, their market cap is bloated and eventually it will catch up with them!

I still think Citrix's Ardence aquisition is the best catch yet!

Re: User Workspace Management

Guest — Sun, 20 Jan 2008 05:51:25 GMT

By the way, how "independent" are you really, Brian?

Your content seem to take Citrix and Microsoft's side awfully
often. One would think you support them more than others.

Now how much real value is in your advice then?

Re: Re: Re: Just to clarify...

Guest — Fri, 18 Jan 2008 18:17:02 GMT

You obviously have never used Citrix Streaming or XenServer Enterprise. Otherwise you would understand the comments about ESX and thinstall being light years ahead.

First, before you SELL a product. You have to have a usable product. Citrix Streaming is NOT a usuable product, nor is XenServer (Doesn't even support shared storage over FC. You can make it work but it's unsupported. The Xen Hypervisior is good, but the management tools are not usuable.

Re: Re: Re: Re: Citrix should get back to it's roots

Guest — Fri, 18 Jan 2008 15:58:24 GMT

Password manager doesn't require a Citrix Server Farm or a Web Interface site. And as others have pointed out Application Streaming can be bought a la carte. All you need is a 5 user Presentation Server Enterprise Farm and you could have hundreds (even thousands) of users using Application Streaming a la carte licenses. And Access Gateway licenses can be bought a la carte as well (not sure why you'd want Advanced Access Control without a Citrix farm to control access to anyway). In fact other bundled features such as EdgeSight can be bought a la carte as well. As the previous poster said, if you just want one of the products, then buy that product. But if you want several of the products, then buy the bundle as it is cheaper in the bundle.

And as for Gartner reacting "to sales and not necessarily implementation", Gartner reacts to sales AND satisfaction. If cutomers are unsitisfied with the purchase to of the product, the product will not rate high on Gartner's charts.

Re: Re: Re: Re: Just to clarify...

Kata Tank — Fri, 18 Jan 2008 15:44:18 GMT

So true that I think we should remove "guest" comment ;-)

Re: Re: Re: Citrix should get back to it's roots

Guest — Fri, 18 Jan 2008 13:31:36 GMT

The problem with Citrix Bungling is that you cannot run their "Application Streaming" or their :Password Manager" or their "Advanced Access Control" without creating a Server Farm and/or a Web Interface site. This is a major problem for those who want a single solution to address a single need with Citrix.

Virtualization...

Kata Tank — Fri, 18 Jan 2008 13:07:49 GMT

Everybody is talking baout virtualization... Let's have a look into analyst definition of virtualization. I've seen a report from several analyst that define 6 layers of virtualization (mixt of Gartner, Forrester and Credit Suisse document)

    - Presentation Virtualization layer : with CTXS and MSFT as key players
    - Application Virtualization layer : with MSFT, CTXS and SYMANTEC (Altiris) as key players
- Operating System Virtualization layer : with VMWare, MSFT and CTXS as key players
    - Disk Virtualization layer : with CTXS as key player
    - Storage Virtualization layer : with Symantec as key player

On top of this we can add :

- LAN virtualization layer : with Cisco
- WAN Virtualization layer (VPN) with Juniper and CTXS as key players

Lot of people are claiming that they are leader in the virtualization market space... They probably are with their own definition of virtualization and market.

Nice move from CTXS to get an hypervisor. Nice move from VMWare to move in the app space... Letsee how this will become "a suite" and how product will feet in each onespecific infrastrucutre each customer have !

Re: Re: Re: Citrix should get back to it's roots

Guest — Fri, 18 Jan 2008 10:05:27 GMT

Gartner reacts to sales and not necessarily implementation.

Citrix is selling Password Manager as part of Bundled Platinum.

Could I hear from some customers who are using Password Manager who are extremely happy with it?

By the way - What percentage of Citrix employees are using Password Manager every day to manage all their passwords? I would bet it is a minority.

Re: Re: Re: Just to clarify...

Ferdy — Fri, 18 Jan 2008 10:03:29 GMT

To True, there has never been a "one size fits all" as two businesses are never the same, if there were, I certainly would be out of a job! It's that choice of selecting the right mix of product to meet the business need.

Except for Streaming. Which is just utter crap.

To sum it up

Guest — Fri, 18 Jan 2008 07:58:55 GMT

VMware is moving into the application space, but all they currently have is virtualization, i.e. no delivery or presentation remoting.

Citrix has moved into the virtualization space but their solutions lag substantially behind VMware both in capability and market share.

In other words, they may be converging in terms of offerings, but they still have a long way to go before they actually pose a significant threat to each other.

Re: Re: Just to clarify...

Guest — Fri, 18 Jan 2008 06:48:30 GMT

WOW! These comments all sounds familiar! Where have I heard this before? Hmmmmm....... Oh yeah!!! "Netware is Lightyears Better than NT!" No one will ever unseat Novell! Blah Blah Blah!

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I love coming on this site because Brian does connect to some interesting content. But I am hoping one day that I will find the winning Lotto numbers with all of the prognosticators in the comments area. I have no problem with people stating their opions but too many act like they know how it will all shake out. Customers will buy what they feel they need, and from who they trust and feel comfortable with. People love to hate Citrix like Microsoft but without Citrix and Microsoft quite a few people on these boards, and who read these boards wouldn't be employed at their current or a past job. Where did Jay say one technology was better than another?

A lot of people believe that Apple technology is far superior than Microsoft technology. Guess what, in my company we aren't doing a wholesale change to Macs for everyone! Better is based on preference and need, is a corvette a better vehicle than a mini-van if you need to carry 6 children around all day? Is SoftGrid better at application virtualization if all the devices you are streaming to are x64 today? Most people think their world is the norm and their xyz is the best. Is it for everyone?

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Re: amusing post

Guest — Fri, 18 Jan 2008 04:30:34 GMT

You're right. The beer kegs are gone. <SIGH!>

Re: Re: Citrix should get back to it's roots

Guest — Fri, 18 Jan 2008 04:28:58 GMT

Some customers must be happy with Password Manager. Gartner now has Password Manager in the upper right hand quadrant and put it there because more and more customers are using it, plus, are happy with it (according to them). I don't think Gartner would risk their reputation and make something up. Companies pay big money for their opinion.

If you don't want to see Platinum, don't sell Platinum. Sell Enterprise or Advanced. If the customer then wants Password Manager as an add-on, sell it to them as an add-on. YES, you can do that!

Platinum is a bundle and the customer gets a savings for buying everything together. But, you don't have to sell it that way!

True, Citrix does not advertise that enough. . .I will give you that.

Re: Citrix should get back to it's roots

Guest — Fri, 18 Jan 2008 01:42:17 GMT

Is anyone impressed or happy with "Password Manager", "Advanced Access Control", or Tarpon?

I am happy with Presentation Server but I am not impressed with this other stuff.

As a Citrix Partner, I do not want to abuse my customers with hype. Selling them things they don't need is not looking out for their best interest. Citrix needs to be sinsitive to the customer's perspective.

There are a lot of people pretty upset with the Citrix attitude. Citrix better start paying attention.

The Bundling is a way to force feed sales and is a Citrix customer manipulation. These products should function on their own and be sold on their own merits. So what if other companies do it. It still does not make greed right.