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The future for VMware: should they spin off EUC into its own company?

Written on Aug 02 2012
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by Kevin Goodman

I had the pleasure of attending BriForum last week in Chicago. BriForum is always a great time with knowledgeable attendees (and exhibitors). One topic of interest was the revelation that Paul Maritz is leaving VMware at the end of August to be replaced by Pat Gelsinger.

There is plenty of speculation as to why the move took place. Some news outlets are suggesting that this clears the way for Maritz to take over as CEO of EMC when Joe Tucci retires. Others are treating it as a termination, with Maritz’s transfer to EMC is a polite way of letting him “ride off into the sunset.” I have no inside information (although I do hold a position in VMW stock) as to the real reason, but I can imagine either case being reasonable. Past executives at VMware have “gone on sabbatical,” “off to do special projects,” or the equally vague “taken a step back”—all never to be seen again. Of course if Joe Tucci really is retiring all of this hand waving might be necessary since the news of Maritz’s departure was leaked. Indeed, Wikipedia lists Gelsinger as taking over as CEO effective September 1st.

In any event, Mr. Gelsinger now has an opportunity (or perhaps the mandate) to make sweeping changes at VMware. I know of no CEO who replaced a non-retiring CEO as having a mandate to *not* change. I doubt you’ll ever hear a Board of Directors say, “We fired the last guy, but don’t feel pressured to do anything different.” 

Many BriForum attendees asked me what I thought was going on since I worked in the End User Computing group at VMware from 2010 until earlier this year. I’ll give you my thoughts on what may happen, but first I'll give some context so you can understand terminology and such. 

Understanding VMware's product business

VMware’s products fall into three categories. (VMware likes to call them layers in a cake or the “New IT Stack.”) The top layer is end-user computing, the middle layer is the cloud application platform, and the bottom layer is what VMware calls “the underlying cloud infrastructure and management." (e.g. server virtualization, management, and monitoring.)

End User Computing products include Zimbra, SocialCast, Horizon, View, and a few others. While I was at VMware I spent my time figuring out ways to make VMware View better. I just assumed given VMware’s stock price that the other two “layers” in the cake were doing fine. However, while researching my “What Two Years in the Trenches have Taught Kevin Goodman about VDI” BriForum presentation for London last May, I decided to pull VMware’s jacket and see just how much money View makes. The following table is from VMware’s 2011 Annual Report: 

 

VMware, Inc.

 

 

                                    NOTES TO CONSOLIDATED FINANCIAL STATEMENTS (continued)

 

 

 

 

 

(thousands):

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

For the Year Ended Dec 31,

 

 

 

 

 

 

2011

2010

2009

Cloud Infrastructure and Mgmt 

$1,665,599 

$1,263,232 

$945,018 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Other products 

175,570

138,192

84,424

 

 

 

 

 

 

License revenues 

1,841,169

1,401,424

1,029,442

 

 

 

 

 

 

Services revenues 

1,925,927

1,455,919

994,495

 

 

 

 

 

 

Total 

$3,767,096

$2,857,343

$2,023,937

 

 

Apparently, VMware does not separate out the revenue for View. As you can see from the table VMware lumps the top and middle layers into the catchall, “Other Products.”  Together the Cloud Application Platform and End User Computing managed to sell $175 million in 2011, or less than TEN PERCENT of the company's total revenue.

If I'm the new CEO, this is probably the second thing that catches my eye. One leg of his three-legged stool produces 90 percent of the revenue. Maybe that's not a big deal if the other two legs are growing at a rapid pace, but “Other Products” only grew 28% year over year from 2010—that’s lower than the 31% the company grew overall. 

I said the three-legged stool was the “second” thing I would want to know because the first thing would be of the $3.5 billion dollars VMware earned in 2011 for Cloud Infrastructure and Management (including services), how much is in “Private Clouds” versus “Public Clouds?” Private Clouds are what you and I would call Data Centers. Public Clouds are what you and I would call products like Amazon Web Services’ EC2 platform and Microsoft Azure. VMware pretty much owns the Private Cloud Space According to VMware’s customer list. However, from that list it appears that everyone who needs data center virtualization already has it.

The word on the street is that EC2 is kicking VMware’s butt in the Public Cloud space, and in case you didn’t know, EC2 is built on top of Xen—the open source hypervisor. (Not to be confused with XenServer the product from Citrix). The ‘E’ in EC2 stands for Elastic, and this is a wonderful feature for companies like NetFlix that need more servers on Sunday night to manage the load when we are streaming movies than they do on Thursday morning when you and I are at work. Amazon Web Services only charge for what you use and need. Compare this to a data center where once the server consolidation takes place, it typically only grows or stays static. (Now before you disparage anyone from VMware for not recognizing this, remember that ESX started in the data centers. Amazon created EC2 from the base XEN and was free to innovate without worrying about supporting existing data center customers.)

All public company CEOs know that stock price is based upon revenue growth, and I’m guessing that the growth will be found by tapping into the public cloud market. If so, look for Gelsinger to give the “We’re-Going-Back-To-Our-Roots-Speech” and announce a concentration on improving the Cloud Infrastructure Layer. If that is the case, a decision has to be made on the other two layers: Continue investing, or cut your losses and run?

Some web sites are predicting a spin-off of the middle layer, which has products like SpringSource and Cloud Foundry, but I believe End User Computing (EUC) is an even bigger issue and needs to be addressed—and quickly to avoid any further brain drain. I’m guessing that EUC accounts for the lion’s share of the $175M revenue and therefore has the most to lose should the talent walk out the door. EUC has lots of smart people who are very perceptive and will leave for better opportunities if they believe they work in a lame-duck division. As I documented in the Foreward to “The VDI Delusion,” there is a revolving door of executives and architects at End User Computing and some of the smartest EUC minds are now at FaceBook, AutoDesk, MobileIron, Cisco and Authentic8. (To name a few. Or they've already jumped ship to work in the Infrastructure layer at VMware.) Retaining the remainder of the talent will be necessary to have a company worth spinning off.

EUC as an independent company would allow VMware to retrench and concentrate on public clouds.  I don’t believe that this it too far of a stretch to imagine. Currently, when View sells a virtualized desktop, it means a copy of ESX in the data center. When the main competition, Citrix, sells a virtualized desktop, it means—wait for it—another copy of ESX in the data center. That’s right. The majority of XenDesktop deals end up on VMware servers. So VMware shouldn’t care where their ESX revenue comes from. 

As an independent company, EUC generating $175 million is a nice small sized company. It would be free to innovate without the burden of having to become a billion dollar company in two years just to meet VMware’s revenue goals. They could immediately start supporting RDS without worrying about it cutting into infrastructure sales.

Will any of this happen? 

Who knows, but one indication could be the dreaded B-word: “Bundle.” A bundle of all products into one super product could be an indication that VMware is considering a spin-off or outright sale of EUC to another company. It would go something like this: VMware makes an announcement that for clarity's sake from now on, all End User Computing products are branded as View. 

Instead of Zimbra, it would become View Mail. Instead of Horizon you would have View SaaS Manager. SocialCast could be renamed SocialView and so on.

It should be an interesting VMWorld this year. 

 
 





Comments

Kata Tank wrote re: The future for VMware: should they spin off EUC into its own company?
on Thu, Aug 2 2012 3:20 AM Link To This Comment

10% for everything that is not VSphere... 100M a quarter for EUC, View and lot's of other things...

Don't want to get down to technical discussion but if Citrix is doing 60% on EUC (XenApp and XenDesktop), it should be 4 to 5 time bigger. there is no more competition...

Dan Shappir wrote re: The future for VMware: should they spin off EUC into its own company?
on Thu, Aug 2 2012 4:39 AM Link To This Comment

@Kata,

Even though it's EUC in both cases, I still think your comparison is "apples to oranges". I assume the vast majority of Citrix's EUC revenue is XenApp based (even if the licenses officially say XenDesktop). VMware doesn't have any offering that competes with XenApp.

Kata Tank wrote re: The future for VMware: should they spin off EUC into its own company?
on Thu, Aug 2 2012 7:10 AM Link To This Comment

agreed... ;-)

Tal Klein wrote re: The future for VMware: should they spin off EUC into its own company?
on Thu, Aug 2 2012 9:20 AM Link To This Comment

Meh.. I think your thinking is more altruistic than rational.

First question: At $175m revenue is the EUC group even profitable? Let's assume the answer is yes..

I don't know how much M&A experience you have, but as a guy who's done his fair share of due diligence, I think the EUC group is more interesting as a liquidation opportunity than a spin-off . There is no harmony between products (For example, why use View and Zimbra together? Where are the synergies?). Zimbra and SlideRocket have some IP and engineering talent that are probably interesting to MSFT or GOOG.

Horizon Mobile may be interesting to VZ or T as a premium value added service. If not, maybe there's some IP there that would be interesting to MSFT or GOOG for their mobile platforms/

That leaves View/ThinApp/Wanova/Horizon. Honestly, I can see this being picked up by CSC or IBM for the right price. They have lots of skin in the legacy game and it would be easy to offset $300 million against their services revenue, and possibly even a write-off opportunity to licensing costs for their outsourcing divisions. However, these components could also theoretically be spun off on their own, but I would spin them off outside the valley, maybe in Washington, closer to MSFT where they could siphon off disgruntled talent.

Kata Tank wrote re: The future for VMware: should they spin off EUC into its own company?
on Thu, Aug 2 2012 9:35 AM Link To This Comment

Zimbra and Side Rocket... when they will add text editing and spreadsheet calculation, they could go after Office 365 and GoogleApps ;-)

Shawn Bass wrote re: The future for VMware: should they spin off EUC into its own company?
on Thu, Aug 2 2012 10:04 AM Link To This Comment

@Tal - I think you missed the point of Kevin's article.  He wasn't advocating spinning it off for the purposes of selling the technology.  He was advocating spinning it off to get it out of the burden of operating under the 800lb gorilla that is VMware.  The best thing the View team ever did was to spin the View clients off from the View product ship cycle.  Likewise, similar good things could come from spinning off some of these other products from the monolithic ship cycles and titanic-style directives that are likely coming from the corporate level.  If you're going to run an EUC products company you must compete against the likes of Box, Dropbox, etc who will think nothing of shipping a new release every few months.  How do you compete with that if you're releasing products every 1-2 years for example?  This is the main reason why I think that Microsoft, Citrix and VMware are going to have a tough time competing in the CoIT space.

My .02.

Shawn

Tal Klein wrote re: The future for VMware: should they spin off EUC into its own company?
on Thu, Aug 2 2012 10:36 AM Link To This Comment

Shawn, I didn't miss the point. I understand his perspective was to spin off the company in order to compete in CoIT space. I was the one advocating selling the tech vs. spinning off the company because I believe Kevin's proposition is not pragmatic as stated. Zimbra does not belong in the same group as View. Two totally different business and product models, and neither really solves for CoIT. I think the best bet for an EUC company is to focus on legacy enterprise. If you're going to spin off something make it about ThinApp/View/Horizon/Wanova, and sell the rest of the EUC noise because it doesn't fit.

Shawn Bass wrote re: The future for VMware: should they spin off EUC into its own company?
on Thu, Aug 2 2012 11:21 AM Link To This Comment

@Tal - I don't disagree there.  I think Zimbra and SocialCast, etc are DOA.

Kevin Goodman wrote re: The future for VMware: should they spin off EUC into its own company?
on Thu, Aug 2 2012 12:17 PM Link To This Comment

I agree with Shawn. I am thinking about this from the VMware CEO's perspective: divest yourself from this EUC experiment and concentrate on what it takes to compete in the public cloud space. My guess is that EUC loses money as a division and is not worth the effort to break apart the pieces. Obviously Maritz thought there were synergies in SaaS-based office apps competing with Exchange and PowerPoint and such. I know I never bought into it and it appears that the market and Tal Klein didn't either.

appdetective wrote re: The future for VMware: should they spin off EUC into its own company?
on Wed, Aug 8 2012 1:25 PM Link To This Comment

@Kevin,

I think the thought is good, but without a real sales force I think it is impossible for a standalone EUC to succeed. Quest is a shinning example of this. As part of somebody else has a shot, but ends up being a feature of a bigger strategy again. Frankly I think Tal has is right here, it's a tech and no real business long term.

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on Wed, Nov 28 2012 7:14 AM Link To This Comment

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