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Major news items from Citrix Synergy

Written on May 20 2008
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by Brian Madden

Citrix Synergy is going on now in Houston. We're barely two hours into the conference, and there have already been some major news items. I can't possibly do justice to write about each of these things today, so I'm going to use this article to aggregate and provide quick overviews of all these stories, and then I'll go in-depth into each of them more over the next few days or so.

Here are the big stories, in random order:

Citrix is bundling XenApp into some versions of XenDesktop

Citrix XenDesktop is officially launched today. There are several editions available, but note-worthy is that at the Enterprise edition ($295 per CCU) and higher, Citrix is bundling in XenApp / Presentation Server as well. This is not for an integrated suite, rather, it's just that they're including the XenApp license. You can then use XenApp to stream or provide remote ICA seamless apps, but the catch is that you can only to this to your virtualized XenDesktop users. If you want to use XenApp for non-XenDesktop users, you still need to buy the full traditional XenApp package. This somewhat addresses the "Application Tax" I wrote about two weeks ago, although not entirely.

Current XenApp Platinum Customers can add-on XenDesktop for $95 per CCU

I guess that headline kind of says it all! Again, XenApp and XenDesktop are not integrated--this is just a licensing / product bundle. (Although of course you can integrate the user experience of these two products by creating a single Web Interface page for both environments.

Citrix acquired Sepago for their profile management product

We've been talking about the importance of profile management (or "user environment management") for awhile, and Citrix has always had a huge hole in their offerings around this. Sepago was a smaller profile management company who solved the problem the "traditional way." There are other companies who are virtualizing user environment settings altogether (RTO and RES immediately come to mind), so we'll have to work out how those stack up to Sepago,

Virtualizing a XenApp Server on XenServer only amounts to a user reduction of 7.6%

Citrix released a white paper (which was independently verified by The Tolly Group) where they ran performance tests on a typical XenApp server running natively, and then they took the same server and virtualized it via XenServer and only saw the number of users they could put on it drop by 7.6%. Interestingly they focused this paper on only running one XenApp VM per XenServer host, with the idea being that you can trade off the 7.6% fewer users for the other soft benefits of virtualization, like live server migration, ease of deployment, and the ability to use a standard image across different types of hardware.

Also interesting is that Citrix compared the performance of XenApp on XenServer to XenApp on "a leading virtualization vendor's platform." (Hmmm.. who could that be?) The other vendor had a much worse performance hit, and the XenApp/XenServer combination was able to host 70% more users. There are some catches though, that I'll address in an article in a few days.

New Appliance: Citrix Branch Repeater

The branch repeater appliance is based on Windows Server, and can kind of be thought of as a "XenApp" appliance, although it also acts as a WANScaler appliance. The idea is that you set up your apps in your central XenApp environment, and then they're streamed down to the branch office appliance where they're served locally to branch office users. Pricing starts at $5500.

"Receiver" clients

Mark Templeton has always loved comparing server-based computing to the cable TV industry. "Why can't you just get a box and have all your apps, just like the way the cable company gives you a box for all your tv content." Citrix talked a bit about their "App Receiver" concept at iForum last year, and this year they're talking about it more.

But in addition to the "App Receiver," Citrix is also showing off a "Desktop Receiver." The Desktop Receiver is a lightweight client that can be pre-installed into thin client devices (or "Desktop Appliances, in today's vernacular) to give them a good desktopy experience (instant on, connect right in to remote desktops, etc.). A bunch of the typical thin client vendors are getting their stuff certified as Citrix Desktop Ready. There will also be an installable software version of the Desktop Receiver, which is kind of like the traditional ICA / Program Neighborhood Agent client, but with a UI specifically designed for connecting to remote desktops instead of single apps.

New Brand: "Citrix Delivery Center"

Citrix has created a new family name called the "Citrix Delivery Center" to encompass all of their products. The CDC includes five parts:

  • Controllers - XenApp, XenDesktop, XenServer, NetScaler
  • Gateways - Citrix Access Gateway (SSL-VPN)
  • Repeaters - The new Citrix Branch Office Repeater
  • Receivers - The client software.. App Receiver and Desktop Receiver
  • Orchestration - Citrix Workflow Studio

That's it for now. I'll update this blog entry as more news comes out.



Comments

Guest wrote I guess...
on 05-20-2008 10:57 AM
Brian has been following the Synergy Underground site.
Guest wrote Re: I guess...
on 05-20-2008 11:25 AM

See what happens when you use twitter!  :)

Guest wrote associate
on 05-20-2008 1:00 PM

CDC - Citrix Delivery Center or Center Disease Control?  I hear the Center for Disease Control is changing their name to avoid the negative association.

Guest wrote Re: associate
on 05-20-2008 1:57 PM
Oh no, we had the name first!!!
Guest wrote Sepago
on 05-20-2008 1:59 PM
Sepago's stuff is cool but what about folder redirection, printers, etc.  Still a big hole here that makes you look elsewhere to half baked solutions like Group Policies.
Guest wrote Re: Sepago
on 05-20-2008 2:04 PM
After looking over the documentation you can still use folder redirection with Sepago.
Guest wrote Current XenApp Platinum Customers can add-on XenDesktop for $95 per CCU
on 05-20-2008 2:05 PM
Do you know which flavor of XenDestkop for $95 per CCU for current XenApp Plantinum Customers?
Guest wrote Re: Current XenApp Platinum Customers can add-on XenDesktop for $95 per CCU
on 05-20-2008 2:13 PM
Advanced since Plat Customers already have everything else.
Guest wrote mmm
on 05-20-2008 2:20 PM
Did Citrix just buy the Sepago profile software or the entire company because on Sepago website it just looks like they bought the software and Sepago will help Citrix develop it for the next 18months?. That sounds a bit dumb if they just bought the software and not the company as they would be ,oosing the brains behind the product.
Guest wrote Re: Current XenApp Platinum Customers can add-on XenDesktop for $95 per CCU
on 05-20-2008 2:27 PM

XenApp Platinum customers don't have EdgeSight for Endpoints or GotoAssist that's included with XenDesktop Platinum.

Guest wrote Re: mmm
on 05-20-2008 2:27 PM
It looks like they just bought the product.
Guest wrote Another major News, I am sure Brian can confir this.....
on 05-20-2008 2:52 PM

http://communities.vmware.com/blogs/virtualdesktop/2008/05/20/xen-desktop-confirmed-dead-on-arrival

Such a big hitch for a product which has been tested and touted for long time..

Guest wrote Re: Another major News, I am sure Brian can confir this.....
on 05-20-2008 3:14 PM
Hardly a big hitch to be honest!  I'm sure this sort of thing neve happens when you run any VMWare products. haha!
Guest wrote Re: Another major News, I am sure Brian can confir this.....
on 05-20-2008 4:58 PM

To be fair to VMWare my ESX 3.5 Installation(Installed 3 weeks after it was released) is working a treat, first time no problems.  It just works.

Now I'm a huge fan of Citrix but can anyone honestly say that, a few weeks after installing a release of a major citrix product for the last few years. (CAG+AAC, PS 3-4.5 etc)  I mean they've only just fixed the 10.x clients after like a year of duff releases.

Guest wrote Re: Another major News, I am sure Brian can confir this.....
on 05-20-2008 5:12 PM
The demo was not a problem with XenDesktop. It was a bug in the video support software running on the beta version of the new Wyse appliance they used. Mark knew this, but didn't want to say anything bad about a good partner from the stage.
Brian Madden wrote Re: Current XenApp Platinum Customers can add-on XenDesktop for $95 per CCU
on 05-20-2008 5:41 PM
And XenApp Platinum customers don't have Provisioning Server which is also included with XenDesktop platinum.
Brian Madden wrote Re: Another major News, I am sure Brian can confir this.....
on 05-20-2008 5:47 PM
Yeah Warren's blog post from VMware was definitely, ummm... what's the polictically correct word here? Well, it wasn't cool. The reason I say that is because VMware can't do the feature that Citrix was demoing! So sure, a failed demo sucks. But VMware's VDI product is based on RDP, so I don't think thye have a leg to stand on when it comes to making fun of someone's multimedia capabilities.
Guest wrote geek speak
on 05-20-2008 9:06 PM
I have to say that geek speek is the best think that iforu...synergy has done as of yet. Real technical content at a trade show, say it isn't so. Don't think they are where they need to be yet, but it is a big change from the normal marketing conference it has been in the past. Everyone was asking for more technical content, and to several smiles and claps, I blurted out briforum.... oops
Guest wrote Re: Sepago
on 05-20-2008 9:19 PM
Yeah, maybe but it requires a separate tool like convoluted Group Profiles or scripting.  That's what I mean by there is still a big hole in the offerings.
Guest wrote Re: Sepago
on 05-20-2008 9:21 PM
THere are other solutions out there that can do both like Script Start ProfileUnity.  And Script Start Community is a lighter open source version you can use to do profile creation and mangement but yeah, I agree that there is still a hole in Citrix profile offerings with Sepago alone.
Guest wrote Re: Current XenApp Platinum Customers can add-on XenDesktop for $95 per CCU
on 05-20-2008 9:23 PM
So does anyone know for sure which version of XenDesktop for $95 per CCU for XenApp Platinum customers?
Guest wrote Re: Another major News, I am sure Brian can confir this.....
on 05-20-2008 9:26 PM

I think Warren's blog post was legit and I especially liked the part where he said...

"They were using what they call a Xen Desktop Appliance. A purpose built device which is not a thin client, Ok sure."

I am assuming this was tongue in cheek by Warren because it is purely see-through Citrix Marketing trickery.  Just like Templeton said in 2005 that they had always been in the "virtualization" business.

Warren Ponder wrote Re: Another major News, I am sure Brian can confir this.....
on 05-20-2008 9:37 PM

As I said over on my blog, the post was all in good fun. I hope Brian knows as well as others that I have a lot of respect for Citrix and their contributions to a very common goal we all have. As I have said many times, perhaps one day they will release ICA as an open protocol like Xen Server as a way to potentially drive innovation around display protocols to solve common customer problems we all have? Maybe not? On the multimedia front we have been integrating and shipping multimedia redirection though our partnership with WYSE for a while now. The demo today was based on the WYSE Xen Desktop appliance which one would assume was leveraging the WYSE MMR so in that case we are all cooking with water. A  bad demo is a bummer, I can relate with the challenges of a demo such as this as I have to live the same thing at all of our shows. VMworld 2007 was a great example where all week I demonstrated a pre-beta of VDM 2.0 and WYSE MMR integration to 1000s of visitors